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Bacchanale666
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Posted : Jan 12, 2012 01:36:40
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I need so much help. I make Dark Psy. Every time I make a kick, and I hear it on good speakers, say my car for instance, it sounds like smashed asshole, but it sounds great in my DAW (cubase 6). I think my problem is EQing. Oh and same with the bass. I make my my kicks using monologue, which sounds pretty good, but if anyone has anything better to suggest please do. I also have massive, so if someone could tell me exactly how to make a dark psy kick on that, I would be greatful. Especially one that kind of has that "reverse swoosh type sound at the beginning of the kick. I do not have monitors, I am using headphones (beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro) and I am using a M-Audio Audiophile 192 Delta as my sound card with my DAW Cubase 6. so at what frequency ranges do I need to cut the kick and bass? I am aware that question has been asked in this forum gazillions of times, but more specifically what would be a good anaylizer? Can I just use the multiscope that Cubase has? And also, how do I get that slightly distorted/filtered sound in the kick that is common in dark psy? My distortion unit is Ohmforce's Ohmicide. A prompt response would be much appreciated and may even stop the zombie apocalypse. Thanks much.
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makus
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Posted : Jan 12, 2012 01:39
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I think this is because of you are working on headphones. Do you listen to your Cubase loud?
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 12, 2012 02:45
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you could get decent kick or even good one wihtout any processing , so imo work more on your synth before reaching for eq,and use reference track to a/b . with monitors or headphone when you dont know them much always use a reference tune and or a frequency analyzer.
it s not the dt770 , a friend use them is kick bass are fine,it s about knowing how something that sound good sound on the headphone or speaker and then tweak it the same ..
i have heard 2 producers using these.. and one get as good mix as on his bm6a .
when he was in a untreated small room, he mixed only with the headphone cause the bm6a mix were translating horrible , but i would not recomend these headphone i think they have way too much bass and scooped mids if i remember. |
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Fometrius
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Posted : Jan 12, 2012 03:08
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Well, maybe this can help a little. Some basic info about what you are asking , although im sure that a search or checking older threads would give more accurate info.
Find a good source for kicks, maybe a sample library of them , if you check some older threads you will surely find some. Check them out and choose one.
High pass the first 20 Hz , boost say 2 db at 60-80 hz of the kick, make a cut around 200-300 with a few decibel.
High pass the bass up to 30-40 hz, play around a bit with the eq and see what spot you like.Dont take out to much sub then it will loose much meat.
Put quadrafuzz or something similiar to get a clean boost , perhaps try a rbass, it might distort to much though so be careful. Boost the bass around 80 and cut some around 250 , experiment with a little cut around 400-500 to make it sharper.
Make a group channel for bass and kick and put a sidechain compressor on it. Maybe you also want another compressor to glue them togheter a bit.
Also for more meat in the kick, duplicate the kick track and cut the high freq of the new one to get more meat in the low freq`s.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 12, 2012 03:18
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On 2012-01-12 02:45, PoM wrote:
i have heard 2 producers using these.. and one get as good mix as on his bm6a .
when he was in a untreated small room, he mixed only with the headphone cause the bm6a mix were translating horrible , but i would not recomend these headphone i think they have way too much bass and scooped mids if i remember.
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he needed 3 months with making music/mixing almost everyday full time to learn the dt 770 and get is first decent mixed tune on par with average full on and the quality of his old mix on bm6a when he was in a decent room.that lot of efforts imo, now he moved to better room and use bm6a but still the headphone for lot of equing |
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Bacchanale666
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Posted : Jan 12, 2012 04:18
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Thank you for all the helpful responses. Makus, I think I have Cubase up as loud as she goes, but I'm not sure on that, I even have everything on my sound card turned up all the way, but it just doesn't sound loud enough. There is probably something I am missing with that. Fometrius, when you say "High pass the first 20 Hz , boost say 2 db at 60-80 hz of the kick, make a cut around 200-300 with a few decibel.", please pretend I am a complete idiot (because I feel like I kind of am with this). Describe for me please, if I am using an EQ in Cubase, what exactly I would need to do, to do what you are saying.
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Fometrius
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Posted : Jan 12, 2012 04:34
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Maybe the ohmforce ohmicide is giving the kick to much distortion resulting in that smashed sound you say you got . Maybe put a compressor instead, or just EQ.Or both .
And for everything to sound louder you need a limiter on the master channel, the channel which all other channels go through.
To describe how to do what i said i will make a try.
Click on the channel where u have the kick in cubase, put a EQ there.Perhaps a 6 band eq.
Then you choose a high pass filter on the first band and you high pass the first 20 Hz. Then you take another and place at say 80, and put it on 2 decibels. To cut the kick around 200-300 you take a band and make a notch around there. You only need to have it on highpass on the band where you cut 20.
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Fometrius
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Posted : Jan 12, 2012 04:46
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What levels u got kick and bass in ? Maybe try kick - 6 and bass - 7 for some room for other sounds. It`s also important that the kick and bass sounds good togheter, its like two halfs of a circle, one can sound good on its own but terrible when combining them.So the synchronization is very important. |
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