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mubali
Mubali
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 00:54
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Hey all... another novice question but an important one nonetheless...
When I am eqing my kick/basslines I am noticing that it is sounding really really muddy. I had always thought that your kick should occupy most of your subbass frequencies and that your bassline should sit comfortably on top of them. What I have been doing for some of the earlier track that I wrote in Orion Platinum is bouncing the individual parts into Logic and using Logic's native effects. While in Logic, I slap a multipressor on the kick channel as well as the bass channel. I have been taking out most of the hi-mid and Hi frequencies (500+)
and augmenting a bit the low frequencies (32-100). I also have been using the fat eq to boost the low frequencies around 30hz having the low mids around 65 hz and 150 hz boosted a bit too. I kill off everything above 400 hz. Another effect that I use on the kick is the evoc 20 auto filter and ranging it from 35 hz-800 hz. The bass is eqed pretty similar to the kick drum and I use the same effects on it, but I have noticed that my kick is drowning out the bassline and even the kick doesn't sound that prominent. It doesn't seem to have as much presence. It sounds to have "ooomph" to it, but not enough pop.
Also another issue that I have been having is loudness to my stuff.. When I master my stuff in sound forge I have it peaking just below clipping range, but when I burn to cd and play it, I usually have to boost the gain on the cd channel just to get it as loud as the commercial cds that I have. What am I doing wrong?
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FUNKKIMUNKKI
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 01:25
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always try do spread ur frequencies, not too much using the same frequencies, also not on other synthsounds, that causes mud so u been doing the opposite as u should 
and btw too much subbas never good, most people i know put a basscut around 50 so for bassound use mainly from 50 or 60 to 120 and for kick from around 85 to 150, the higher frequencies also provide that pop feeling u want instead of ooomph
good luck
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mubali
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 01:33
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I will try that, thanks...
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FUNKKIMUNKKI
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 02:25
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the frequency ranges are just en example ofcourse, experimenting is the best way to find out
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solipt1c
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 04:46
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"mud" is usually around the 200-350hz region, might want to try notching there.
as for the specifics in your post...
1 - there is a BIG difference between 32 and 100hz u cant really treat them the same. Personally I'd be extremely wary of boosting anything as low as 32.
2 - be careful of cutting hi end stuff from kicks and basslines. just because you consider them "low end", the hi part is still extremely important. for example 1-2k is the crucial region for 'presence' on a bass guitar. ok synth basses are a bit different but still, u need some top there.
3 - as for bassline sitting above kicks - well - this works , but its not the only way. sometimes u might have a super deep bassline and quite a high kick on top of it. personally i tend to have a four-layered sandwich:
subs (bass)
deep kick
upper bass
hi end kick
Even then I dont actually do too much with EQ to get all these to fit together, I consider it more about choosing the right sounds in the first place, but still.
4 - your tracks are quieter because you probably dont use as much compression whilst producing as the pros do... also yours havent been professionally mastered (which in practice probably means more compression, in this case multiband). if i were you i wouldnt worry too much about the mastering/multiband comp at first, i'd just try and use a little more compression on individual elements during production.
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 12:21
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Your kick & bass should have different frequencies, not the same.
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Jeto
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 13:03
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I have a question on something similar...
I have Samson Resolv65 Monitors..
My Kick and Bass sounds great in them..
But when I hear it in my Sony MDR V700 Headphones sounds really bad...
Any ideads why?
Thanks
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