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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 00:17
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The DAC-1 doesn't create a wordclock you can use. It has no plug for syncing.
It strips all incoming digital signal of clocking and regenerates one internally to sync with the signal, that's why its 100% jitter immune.
What would you be syncing in your studio?
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MadScientist
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 00:21
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I would like to sync my interface because the clock in it isnt the best...
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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 00:28
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I don't really understand..
According to the DAC-1 manual, it doesn't matter if you use a jittery-as-fuck signal sent down a cheap 50ft cable, the resulting sound is always the same because it strips out the clock and generates its own.
So it shouldn't really matter what else is going on in the studio, the only thing you'd need to sync is external sound sources.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 00:36
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I'm talking about motu ultralite...
sure for the monitoring its not the problem, the problem is while producing when you bounce something...as far as I see it this wont be affected by the dac, and if its a "jitter as fuck" signal, it will sound good on my monitors because of the jitter correction, but on every other system you'll hear that 
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 01:35
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Well, in order to correct you we have to understand you first.
What do you mean by bounce? Exporting or rendering a stereo mix as wave file for mastering or burning to cd? If it's so this has nothing to do with the dac. It's only the daw's audio engine algorithm that's working. Bouncing is not physical audio processing but math processing of the digital audio. Therefore, it can't have jitter.
Jitter happens in the hardware world and bouncing in the software world.
In other words, jitter is a result of not precise clocks when two or more digital devices are connected, which further means that you don't need to worry about jitter with any of the converters you mentioned.
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 01:47
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MadScientist
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 02:08
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thanx alex...damn I think I was just not thinking far enough when I posted lol 
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 08:31
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Thanks Alex & Tomos for the in-depth explanations. I agree that even though the differences are subtle they are still worth it if they will aid me in my mixing decisions. So i think i'm going to upgrade after all.
Now i just have to decide between the Lavry or Benchmark.
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Trip-
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 10:46
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MadScientist,
you might want to lock the clock of your soundcard from an external ADC. (Lavry AD10 for example)
About your external compressors etc, you will need more DACs. I would use RME's decent internal DACs and save you some money for the meantime - (unless you really want to upgrade to a 'semi-mastering house' kind of signal-chain).
The ADC is much more important, and noticeable, when recording analog signals.
But you could go multi ADDA all the way,
this is why the blue is a good deal, it is cheaper to upgrade it in the future, and it's not a bad converter by no means
But if you want that special volume knob beside you, you'll have to get one. (Coleman for ex)
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MadScientist
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 11:03
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thanx for your reply trip.
what exactly do mean by "you might want to lock the clock of your soundcard from an external ADC. (Lavry AD10 for example)"?
do the adc's generate a use-able clock signal?
I'm still undecided, because the blue is nice and all, but the thing with the volume knob is a bugger...and for example an adc-1 or an ad-10 are not much more expensive than an adc unit for the blue, and like I said its another question if you would pay again to get it built into the blue later on...
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 11:11
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I'd also like to mention a couple of things regarding the Lavry vs Benchmark that maybe will make it easier for anyone to decide which one is the appropriate.
Taken as granted is that sonically they are really close with a slight advantage maybe to the Lavry, but again this is very subjective as always, and in that case we could only trust all the pro guys that have made the relevant shootouts and A/B tests.
From a more practical approach and my personal experience, i believe that the Lavry's advantage is the 1db step volume switch, which can be very helpful when calibrating the monitors and working with the K-System, something i highly recommend.
On the other hand, the Benchmark has a stepped volume knob as well but from my measurements it seems that every step is around 1.5db, according to my db meter. But the biggest advantage is the RCA output it offers. Recently i have added in my set up the worst and cheapest one way micro system that i could find in the market, just to check my mixes on this after my K+H 0300.
My mixes with the 0300(even the first ones i made) were almost 85-90% there which is amazing IMO, which further means that they translated very well everywhere i tried them. But even when i get the percentage 100% right, i still want to have some real world reference cause i want to be 110% sure that my mixes will translate.
With the Benchmark all i needed was just to plug ny 0300s in another extended power outlet close to me and just switch them on/off for A/B listening.
With the Lavry, a monitor controller would be needed and a good one that wouldn't degrade or color the sound.
Hope it helps a bit more.
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 13:39
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Yeah the fact that the Lavry is missing a volume knob is what is putting me off it. I'm already using a SM Pro Audio nano patch as a monitor controller but i would prefer to have an all-in-one solution like the benchmark.
Since sonically they're so close anyway i guess you can't go wrong with either one. Plus, that silver DAC-1 is hella sexy
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Trip-
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 13:42
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getafix, the lavry da10 has a volume knob. The Blue doesn't.
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 14:08
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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 27, 2008 17:03
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Something I've been meaning to add for a really long time is a set of cheap hi-fi speakers to go with my monitors so that I can A/B mixes.
I recently took something which I thought was a very good mix to another room with some standard speakers and it was obvious the bass was mixed too loud.
I trust my monitoring setup, when I went back it was apparent that I had too much bass. Sometimes it just takes a nudge from another angle to actually notice the mistake.
Alex, how have you added extra speakers to your setup? If you are using SPDIF to DAC, does the soundcard still output on the non digital outputs? I guess it depends on the card. Or the soundcard software..
I'll have to check, I really don't want to have to buy a splitter, and if I do, I'd like one that includes subwoofer connection as well if I ever decide to add one.
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