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cutting that ringing harmonic.
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mubali
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Posted : Nov 12, 2009 21:59
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Here's another option...
use a notch filter on your bass instrument (preferably in the instrument itself, and then make sure the key follow is using it too...
I've seen this done using Surge and it works rather well.
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aciduss
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Posted : Nov 12, 2009 22:29
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Would you elaborate on that mubali?
didn't fully understand it. Do u set a secondary filter for that notch besides de usual LP? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 00:57
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My experience is that its either the room or the sound that is way to resonant... sometimes you hit notes that resonate with your room and making them overly obvious.... maybe im just lucky now and working in the right tones or have a good listening position cause it was a long time since i had this problem.
But of course taking care of the frequencies is a good thing, if you hear it and it annoys you, you should fix it.
But like Trip say or in other words, you cant polish a turd... and you cant rearrange your walls...but you can damp the room as much as possible...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 01:01
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On 2009-11-12 21:59, mubali wrote:
Here's another option...
use a notch filter on your bass instrument (preferably in the instrument itself, and then make sure the key follow is using it too...
I've seen this done using Surge and it works rather well.
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Key follow on the filter?
im not too familiar with Surge, but key follow is a nice function.
"There is a danger, especially with a keyboard of considerable range, that having a fixed filter cut-off point will cause large tonal differences between high and low pitches. This is not always required. For example, consider simple square waves of fundamental frequencies 110Hz (A2), 220Hz (A3) and 440Hz (A4). Without filtering, all the waves will sound identical in timbre despite their pitch differences. If, however, a cut-off point is fixed at 1000Hz then the number of harmonics allowed to pass differs greatly for each note. (See Fig 3).
In this somewhat drastic example the fixed cut-off point for the filter turns the note A4 into a simple sine wave since only the fundamental frequency is allowed to pass. In the case of the note A2 the filter allows a rich harmonic mix (up to the 9th harmonic) to pass. To get round this, however, using the value of the Pitch CV, the cut-off point can be made to track up and down in relation to the note played. This is known as KEY FOLLOW and maintains the timbre of a sound across a large key range. In practice, far from becoming increasingly mellow as the frequency rises, as in the example, the timbre of an instrument is likely to become even brighter as the pitch rises - think of the contrast between a flute's mellow lower register and its shrill top notes. "
http://www.fortunecity.com/emachines/e11/86/synth2.html
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 10:49
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i've never seen this 'key follow' function for the filters on any of my vsts.
that with the notch filter adjusted just right it will follow that harmonic up and down with key changes. thats genius.
i was under impressions that the notch filter has a boosting Q (not cutting Q)
know of any standalone filter vst that track the midi note with a key follow function?
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 11:09
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 20:07
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looking at the screenshot - is it the 'keytrigger' option on surge? or keytrack option? or?
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 20:17
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keytrack 101 post.
In most synths (the ones worth using anyway) you can set the cut off frequency to track the key you are playing. Meaning that the lower notes you play, the filter closes, the higher notes you play the filter opens.
Effectively you can set a filter to self oscillate and then have it to track the keyboard (by setting in the correct index, i.e. full or 50% depending on the synth you are using), so you have a sine wave oscilltor that track the pitch of the key you are playing, exactly the same way a sine wave oscillator would.
The band reject (notch) filter mode, reduces the cut off frequency band. Play around with the resonance and slope (where available in notch filter output) to reduce the desired frequency band depending on the note you are triggering.
I don't use this function as Logic's EQs are great for surgical EQing and far more flexible.
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 22:33
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Great explanation pipe.. I always wondered what key follow wuz on sylenth 1 , never thought about askin either ,, ignorance is bliss
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 22:43
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So how would one set the filter cutoff to track the key?
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Tablet
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 23:19
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On 2009-11-13 22:43, jizy wrote:
So how would one set the filter cutoff to track the key?
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keyboard tracking |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Nov 14, 2009 00:09
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i see,, with albino3 it is the track knob. i never knew exactly what it was for but i always play around with it..
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Zoopy
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Posted : Nov 14, 2009 03:38
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It could also be your room..
aand this was already said.. woops |
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Bagginz
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Posted : Nov 15, 2009 14:45
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On 2009-11-12 15:20:58, *eLliSDee* wrote:
When i cut a bit (small Q) of that ringing harmonic in the bass it sounds much better, but what about when the key change and am not playing around in c but now d or somthing. The ringing is on another frequency.
The only thing i can think of to solve it is to put a new parametric EQ for every single key change in the bassline. Thats very tedious.
Do you guys have a method for this or don't you care about it?
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eLliSDee,
based on your description, I'm 95% sure it's your room.
Bass trapping/ acoustic treatment is your answer.
Cheers,
Billy Cosmosis
www.cosmosis.co.uk
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 15, 2009 16:16
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if you have a good headphone check if the resonance are still there, you might be surprised |
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