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Cutting at 40hz really true?
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 01:32:11
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The reason I ask this is because wouldn't hifi,Pa's compinsate with such sub bass with built in eq's and control over all sound...4ohz to much????
The truth is needed ina mixing point of view and forgive my ignorance to the question |
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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 02:59
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cutting the bass @40hz makes sence cause of muddy fq..just makes your track clearer..
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Medea
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 03:07
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Totally depends on music. I would say, even on BPM.
Higher BPM - higher you should cut the bass to avoid mess.
Check out some minimal techno tunes - the bass in such music often plays without HP filter at all, and the music feels quite fine in clubs etc..
I personally leave all higher than 20, sometimes 30Hz http://soundcloud.com/aedem |
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 04:34
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Ok then how many db'should freqs be @40-120hz should be..starting at 40hz ie 40hZ@-30db 80hz @-20db???? Are lo and high shelf filters best suited for this after HP???
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 05:30
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Cutting at 40hz ,it depends the sources ,check in a analizer with some tracks you like (same key a yours if possible ) also cutting is for fixing something,if you get the sound right, no need fixing = better sound quality ,cutting degrade your sound , try hipassing a bassline you get right from the source, it ll sound worst.also if you cut then at mastering if they cut again, it ll be even more worst |
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Saii
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 07:02
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my rule for basslines is...
if you need to remove anything below 40Hz, re-synthesize the bass patch.
you should never really have to cut down there unless its a real kick drum or something where there really is rumble that you want to take out.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 09:04
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Remember that your track is going to be premasterd, which means boosted alot...
What you can do is to play your track real loud and see where it starts to go over.... and that would be a problem in the mix if you want it to play louder, or you cut a lot of lowend... its a compromise..
if you have a good mastering engineer you dont have to bother with this so much cause this cut can be made by him/her if its a good mix....
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soulfood
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 10:35
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I genreally make sure the fundamental has nothing underneath if and more often than not will just use a cut here or there rather than a HPF |
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 13:08
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its according to the track.
i usualy leave atleast bass or kick to punch the 30hz.
it sounds 'round' and full.
play any fullon near my music its sound like anorectic music. as long you really have HUGE pa with sub bass.
for small pa it doesnt matter they cut it out anyway.
sometimes HP filter can cause weird artifacts too.. so make sure u use a good one.
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 13:35
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Thanks for replies... in the spectrum on bass how many DBS should the subbass be,or like u said if
u comprimised your bass for your kick how many DB should the subbass be in relation to everything.
Cheers ..
It's like iPod ear phones for example, I wuz listening to sum good ol zybex (stoned) when this qestion occurred to me,,everything seemed like it wuZ cut further than 40hz to compnsate built in eq's on different playback systems.. U know what I'm sayin? So should the subs be tamed with loshelves after hpassing if so how many db should the subs be sitting underneath say 80hz..
Hope this askin for to much but i gotta understand before I move on.
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 13:42
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On 2009-09-22 05:30, PoM wrote:
Cutting at 40hz ,it depends the sources ,check in a analizer with some tracks you like (same key a yours if possible ) also cutting is for fixing something,if you get the sound right, no need fixing = better sound quality ,cutting degrade your sound , try hipassing a bassline you get right from the source, it ll sound worst.also if you cut then at mastering if they cut again, it ll be even more worst
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true pom but if the mastering engineer is a good one and trustworthy he/she should relise that o he has done a good job on the subbass we don't need to touch that... No?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 13:59
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 14:59
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hmm
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Maybe I do something wrong, but I cut all songs bellow 40-45 Hz VERY steep and personally I find the bass round and fat enough.
I have a dynaudio subwoofer, not a big one. What counts for me is that if I want a lot of definition and the ability to turn up the volume a bit and the sub shouldn't overload. When I don't cut bellow 45Hz the sub overloads very quickly but I do not really have much nicer bass feeling. I then started to cut the bass and I'm not feeling that I miss something. Except the terrible feelings I always had when I heard that my music is distorting most of all speakers much quicker at lower volumes than other music.
I once figured out with sinewaves which bassfrequencies make the woom I like.. and its above 40Hz for me.. I was very surprised because I always though it was deeper and because when I used an EQ the get the "push" I usually pushed around 50hz or lower. But what I then found out was that it all had to do with the shape of the eq-curve. I didn't push at 80hz because it added too much 100Hz and therefore I found it sounding too hard. I then at first thought it was the problem of "80Hz" not being low enough and pushed at 50Hz or lower and was happy about the result and thought "I like 50Hz and lower" in reality I only chose to push lower because in that case I got my desired 70Hz push without the over 100Hz push. the 50Hz and bellow were also pushed by the EQ but in reality they weren't actualy transmitted by my sub very strongly. So in my case I "thought" I like 30-50Hz but in reality I liked 50-80Hz. But the fact that an EQ push around 50-80Hz always pushes above 100Hz too made me thing it was not the right frequency. The push around 50Hz an bellow gave me the results I wanted but not because I actually wanted 30Hz-50Hz but because it pushed the 50-80hz but NOT the 100Hz and above. I only found that out when I started to cut VERY steep (UAD cambridge) around 45Hz and suddenly realized that It doesn't matter so much.
So I push at 50hz, but cut at 45Hz or 40 Hz. Most of my music for you to download at:
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 15:09
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diogo_c
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Posted : Sep 22, 2009 15:10
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On 2009-09-22 15:09, Fragletrollet wrote:
"Cutting at 40 hz) dont mean much. A 48 db/octave cut sounds very different than a 12db/oct....
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Yes...40Hz is not a complete information - the kind of slope should be considered.
I like to begin cutting around 30Hz with a 36db/octave slope. It's only a starting point though - never a rule.
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