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Curious Question about form within the sub genres of psytrance ?
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Liquid Acoustics
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Posted : Aug 22, 2010 17:01:51
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Being doing a lot of searching online but to no avail. So i thought i'd fire the question here to get some thoughts.
What form is used within the various subgenres of psytrance or are they all the same ?
U know by sub genres i mean - suomi, forest, fullon, psybreaks, minimal and the likes.
Anyway views and thought are much appreciated. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Aug 22, 2010 17:55
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What do you mean by form?
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : Aug 22, 2010 18:57
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Liquid Acoustics
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Posted : Aug 22, 2010 19:11
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Sorry if I wasn't clear the first time round, if I may elaborate:
What I meant by form is the way your music is structured.
Throughout the history of music there have been a great number of recognized forms to structure tracks and the principles that sort of govern it.
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the five assed monkey
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Posted : Aug 22, 2010 21:44
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Liquid Acoustics
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Posted : Aug 22, 2010 22:44
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Appreciate it five assed monkey ....
definetely a lot of good info here
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makus
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willsanquil
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dija
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Posted : Aug 25, 2010 06:15
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SineFreq
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I feel its unnecessary to formally address each subgenre and decipher their form because they are all very similar and the form usually gives the structure to the piece like a picture. Its just...
I know what you are referencing and quite honestly it can be difficult to formally detect the form that many Psytrance pieces are written in. Especially ones that have many breaks and seem to flow in all directions. Yet its not impossible, you just have to think wheres the intro? wheres the chorus? Beginning? End? Then write it down. I just don't really find this necessary. Intro /AABAAB/ Closing, or /ABABAB/, or /ABBABB/, any can and are used and there are many more than I feel I can write out but all of these are common to psytrance, then again any form can be. It all depends on the story you want to tell and the way you want the picture to develop. When I say picture I mean a Black and White Image structure. The melodies, rythm and harmony are the colors. Also whether or not you feel your music is beyond form. When writing music this can be easily put to play just think intro, write a first statement=A find a way to develop part B, (B)might be working together with part A or against it you decide. (think call and return) is B a separate entity than A or did it evolve out of it? Then decide if you feel a certain theme A or B or both, need a ritornello/recurring theme. This is usually expressed at the beginning or end of the piece. Then write a closing for the song.
Sorry for not being able to be more precise, I just can't tell if this will be all that useful to you or not and I am really overwhelmed with work at the moment. If you would like me to go into more detail just ask. But it sounds like you already have some classical training under your belt, being that your talking about something as boring as musical form lol But its a good honest question. |
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Liquid Acoustics
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Posted : Aug 27, 2010 09:48
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Hey Sine Freq, Love your analogies, believe it or not they make perfect sense. When I posted the question I just wanted to know how to approach the topic. Your post has at the very least given me another perspective. Nice One
Unfortunately I've got no classical knowledge and what exactly did you mean by recurring theme?
Thanks
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Koozer Mox
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Posted : Aug 27, 2010 09:49
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SineFreq
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Posted : Aug 28, 2010 02:43
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This is probably the closest definition to the way I learned about this. Just replace Ritornello with Recurring Theme.
Ritornello; Ritornello Form
In the 14th-century caccia and madrigal, the couplet at the end of the poem, which usually expresses the "thought" derived from the preceding "description". In musical composition, it is treated as a separate section, usually involving a change of meter. The ritornello is not a refrain. The name, "little return," may indicate that the ritornello restates the content of the main stanza in modified form.
In the 17th-century Italian operas and cantatas, the term has essentially the same meaning but is applied to short instrumental conclusions added to an aria or a song. Sometimes the ritornello also occurs at the beginning of the song. Aside from the sinfonias, which serve a different purpose, the ritornelli are the only instrumental pieces in early operas. The ritornello instrumental refrain is a standard feature of German 17th-century strophic songs (arias).
The Ritornello form is a term often used for the typical form of the first and frequently also the last movement of the baroque concerto, particularly the concerto grosso. Such movements consist of an alternation of tutti and solo sections, the tutti sections being based on identical material while the solo sections vary. The tutti sections therefore form the ritornello.
http://www.lcsproductions.net/MusHistRev/MusicalForms/Ritornello.html
This works with psy very well imho.
I will be back to put this in more relevant terms if it is needed.
Things are crazy at the moment! |
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Liquid Acoustics
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Posted : Aug 28, 2010 09:27
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Brilliant stuff sine freq, nice of you to share some light on the topic so quickly even though things are crazy for you at present.
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