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WhySoLazy?
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 17:14:23
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Hello everyone .
I tried Cubase5 for 1 month and really got used to this program .
I noticed that more PsyTrance producers use Ableton and would like to hear about the differences between this two .
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panike
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 18:56
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That doesn't matter,what matters is the outcome and if you are a great producer it will sound good whether its on cubase or ableton
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Chimp in Space
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 20:21
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I started with FL studio but found that Ableton Live suited me better and my workflow. Also it suited me how I like to "see" my music and easy access to my arrangment automations as well as channel/track fx chain.
I think Cubase as well as FL is really nice and do the job but for me I got hooked on Ableton Live.
I think or rather believe that more of the new school artist uses Ableton Live while artists that been in the game longer uses Cubase, between the two mentioned DAWs.
But it's your music that is important and your personal workflow not mine or others. If cubase is the choice. Stick with it and learn Cubase in and out.
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aXis
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 22:12
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i think ableton is the only way forward. If just comparing daws i agree it doesnt make a difference , but ableton makes it into a computer game . |
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woodster77
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 22:51
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presonus studio 1
logic quality with abletons workflow
as for Cubase- serious phase problems
and their idea of plugin delay compensation is a fucking joke i.e. switch off the plugins that are causing the problem
Studio 1 IS the young blood from steinberg that left due to the covoluted and out of date development ethos that they employ
BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT.....with unusable native plugs
tbh when i think of how much time we spent trying to work around cubases faults i cringe
as TIME WASTED IS INSPIRATION LOST
PEACE OUT !
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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 23:03
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On 2011-09-16 22:51, woodster77 wrote:
presonus studio 1
logic quality with abletons workflow
as for Cubase- serious phase problems
and their idea of plugin delay compensation is a fucking joke i.e. switch off the plugins that are causing the problem
Studio 1 IS the young blood from steinberg that left due to the covoluted and out of date development ethos that they employ
BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT.....with unusable native plugs
tbh when i think of how much time we spent trying to work around cubases faults i cringe
as TIME WASTED IS INSPIRATION LOST
PEACE OUT !
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lol
first studio 1 is not by steinberg, its just an old steinberg developer wo cofounded nuendo..
plugincompensation is faulty? better use not faulty plugins i would say..
and what phase problems? please elaborate..
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woodster77
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 23:46
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On 2011-09-16 23:03, Zork wrote:
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On 2011-09-16 22:51, woodster77 wrote:
presonus studio 1
logic quality with abletons workflow
as for Cubase- serious phase problems
and their idea of plugin delay compensation is a fucking joke i.e. switch off the plugins that are causing the problem
Studio 1 IS the young blood from steinberg that left due to the covoluted and out of date development ethos that they employ
BLOAT BLOAT BLOAT.....with unusable native plugs
tbh when i think of how much time we spent trying to work around cubases faults i cringe
as TIME WASTED IS INSPIRATION LOST
PEACE OUT !
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lol
first studio 1 is not by steinberg, its just an old steinberg developer wo cofounded nuendo..
plugincompensation is faulty? better use not faulty plugins i would say..
and what phase problems? please elaborate..
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its got nothing to do with faulty plugins bruv....
phase problems. ever wonderewd why cubase has got a shit top mid....because delays in the plugin chain can cause cannels to be out of phase which leads to frequencies cancelling each other out resulting in a dull and muddy sound
but hey i could go on. best if you research this for yourself bro
trust me its got nothing to do with the quality of the plugin
hope this explains my point a bit better
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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 23:57
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hm i use it for several years and even know very pro users in studios etc who use it..same with nuendo wich is often used in post production..so if it would be that bad people wouldn`t use it i guess..imo its myths what you are talking about..
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woodster77
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 23:59
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On 2011-09-16 23:57, Zork wrote:
hm i use it for several years and even know very pro users in studios etc who use it..same with nuendo wich is often used in post production..so if it would be that bad people wouldn`t use it i guess..imo its myths what you are talking about..
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MYTHS.........fair enough
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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 17, 2011 00:05
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honestly your the first one i hear in 7 years involved in audio scenes who complains about cubase sound..
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woodster77
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Posted : Sep 17, 2011 00:59
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watch the video demo as this might explain my point a bit clearer
http://www.uaudio.com/store/special-processing/little-labs-ibp.html
i know this example is for recorded instruments like guitars and such but the theory is the same
as regards to the pros...well who knows what the mastering guy is doing to clean up the "cubase" sound
another thing you could try is write a bass and kick pattern that both parts use the same frequencies in the mix then try flipping the phase shift button in the mixer channel ( the little circle with a line through it above the channel fader )on either hte bass or kick
both will seem to inhabit the same space in the mix without working against each other
im sorry if this is a bit condesending as that is not my intention but these are hardly myths
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kick muck
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Posted : Sep 17, 2011 01:49
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If you can tell what DAW an artist has used to make a certain track , then you are a fucking genius. Granted if you used logic for years, then you might be able to recognize the native space designer reverbs etc, as they get used more than other inbuilt vsts in daws. I'm just getting to know an estabished psy artist.he has been using ableton recently, but has used cubase for years. I can't tell which tracks were written in Ableton and which were done in Cubase......may be I'm thick...or may be I'm wrong  |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Sep 17, 2011 01:50
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this is a plug in to vary the phase / change the phase.. if you have some difficulties in phase go better deeper into the mix or synth patch effects etc you won't find any such problems just because it's cubase  and you will find native tools to change the phase as well.
..there are countless plug ins where you can observe your phase anytime, reassure yourself about your cubase conflict.
btw cubase is highest league top notch sequencer as pro tools or logic is ,ableton is not really recognized as this in pro circles. You won't find it as a master in any big studio or postproduction, tv, radio, surround/movies etc etc.
It's great for creating techno as it was later redesigned almost for, a great tool for sure for dj's as well it but you can't really compare it with cubase. Maybe when it comes to psytrance and workflow I can understand than because the others are not thaaat easy to learn.
You can do everything that ableton is able with any other of those 3 as well ,you got only way more features options and quality etc..
Ableton on its own got a nice(r) sound, but that's a minimal and sujbecitve difference and you will find here more other opinions (that are not right because objective logic is it is coded differently ) about this as well, I know
No mastering guy will clean up cubase sound Lol where you have this story from?
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Vermeee
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Posted : Sep 17, 2011 01:50
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what do u guys think bout that myth behind ableton live?
that the sound engine frmo ableton live s inferior...
that if u even make (write ) ur track in ableton and render it to disk and mix it in another daw...it ll sound lot better if u do the mix in ableton live..
and im not talkin bout the native plugins quality...but the output engine..
if u google bout it its a very common myth...
its very comon to find people writin tracks in ableton live and doin the mix in reaper usin such statemant ...
as an ableton and cubase user...i feel that difference in sound from ableton live to cubase.... even tho nowadays i use ableton for everything.,...
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Vermeee
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Posted : Sep 17, 2011 01:54
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On 2011-09-17 01:50, TimeTraveller wrote:
Ableton on its own got a nice(r) sound, but that's a minimal and sujbecitve difference and you will find here more other opinions (that are not right because objective logic is it is coded differently ) about this as well, I know
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ableton nicer sound? thats a no no no..
can be equal...but nicer no way...
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