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Cubase midi record latency compensation prob
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bukboy
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Posted : Oct 27, 2005 08:31
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dtd the use system timebase checkbox didnt work. New drivers didnt work. And although I havent tried the ignoreportfilter thing or the standard pc thing I did investigate ableton live & it sure as hell doesnt have this problem so its those steinberg flakes who r 2 blame for crappy stability & integrity. Get ur shit 2gethr steinberg.
will try the ignoreport thing l8r. for the moment Im having a lot of fun with ableton. Never knew live's clip recording section could streamline arranging so much. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Oct 28, 2005 08:20
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Sorry sideFXed. it only lessens the problem, not eliminates it, all thats happened is that now it takes half hour to get 1/16 beat lag instead of 10 minutes. |
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sideFXed
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Posted : Oct 28, 2005 08:52
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seems like a VERY strange problem. If you are sure it's not an issue with emulated ports, I'd suggest you to contact support for your midi-interface / host. (if you got cubase legal)
a side note. You operate with a very low asio latency. Does it happen with a latency of 512 or 1024 samples (10-20 ms) too ? |
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bukboy
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Posted : Oct 31, 2005 09:26
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Ive tried latency 20ms. still same problem. Only thing I havent tried is standard PC. |
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sideFXed
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Posted : Oct 31, 2005 20:14
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well standard pc is a thing you want to plan very carefully... if you wanna do that, I'd suggest you to install windows new and choose non acpi right in bios before installing the operating system. Mind that you need to reinstall again to access acpi features.
the only thing that is different with standard pc is the irq table. if you have acpi enabled and no pci sharing, it's almost the same. maybe you need to power off your pc manually in standard pc mode
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texmex
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Posted : Nov 1, 2005 02:38
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if you have problem with midi going out of sync after program start or midi events being late with varying delay, you might have issue with different timers. Some midi drivers use different timers than the sequencer, and that might give you a problem. Below is few tools which you can use to analyze your midi communication (Just connect your midi out to in and run them).
http://earthvegaconnection.com/evc/products/miditest/
http://www.jay.fm/blog/pc-midi-timing-and-nuendo.html
I noticed something wrong with my midi. I knew the midi would be a bit late when the audio for the synth arrives to my card, but the midi seemed to be somehow out of sync - with variable delay. Then I found the miditest utility (from jay.fm) and it basicly told that I need to use the emulated directmusic drivers and enable the system time stamp. It helped, though it doesn't solve the latency. But I can live with it.
If you have midi notes CONSTANTLY being late, you're on the safe side. There will always be some delay, and this is because of the conversion and buffering of the audio on both of your sound card and external synths. There (might) not be anything to do about it. If you're playing live, it might be a problem. But if you're recording a project, you can always nudge the recorded tracks by the time your midi latency is. To see the latency make a patch that has instant attack, make a midi note on the first beat and record it. The delay between the midi note and the sound starting is your latency.
By decreasing the asio latency you can cut down the time it takes to record audio from your synth. However, it usually isn't the problem unless your using latencies over 5 ms (or whatever you consider as noticeable).
Also remember to enable the "ignore latency compensation" button on the left side of the project view (the button will turn orange). It will help to cut the latency even further - but use it only when recording. Otherwise you might get serious phasing and delay problems (like when using SIR).
BTW, ACPI shouldn't be a problem if you're using XP (SP2) and some new motherboard... Things have improved. And ACPI can be disabled after the installation too if you think need to go that road (use the google).
Hope this helps... |
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TuK
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Posted : Nov 1, 2005 10:38
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actually i have the exact same problem,
what i do is i just reset the device setup- direct music
before i record midi and it works fine, its a little annoying to do it all the time but im used to it. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Nov 2, 2005 12:50
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thats a good idea. maybe I can set up my midi controller record button 2 toggle reset & record. much easier than non-acpi.
I would also like 2 take another opportunity 2 flame steinberg. U guys suck! get sum decent programmers. thought u guys were supposed 2 b german. But I never heard of germans doing crap jobs. skinhead racist asshole neo-nazi uneducated flakes more like.
Ok maybe that was a bit much. But u guys generally suck! |
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texmex
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Posted : Nov 2, 2005 13:46
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no there there!
i'd rather blame windows for not having single, standard and robust midi interface api. what i've read, the directmusic midi stuff is really problematic, specially when it comes to the larger sysex messages.
btw, I also have audigy and had that same problem midi going out of sync when the cubase sx 2 had been running for a while. in cubase 3 i haven't seen this happen (yet), only minor jitter/latency in the midi. i mind you, creative cards are not definitely pro audio cards!
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TuK
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Posted : Nov 2, 2005 14:54
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i have an m-audio card. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 08:21
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thanks dj_Tuk that suggestion really helps. Do u know how 2 automate the send reset 2 all midi devices button? Im gonna start a new thread on that. |
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