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creating a trancy/acid snd... ?
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mfa
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Posted : Mar 28, 2004 22:48
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i mean to those snds which r on (i guess) low octave, and they r growing up and up and up..
u know, snds like this for example:
Hallucinogen - Orphic Trench on the 1:09
or download a 318kbytes file i upped so u can listen to:
http://el1ran.tripod.com/snd.htm
i wanna be able to make this kind of snd and control it, not just cut and copy from some other snds.
im using Cubase SX & Reason 2.5.... |
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katam
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 00:48
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the only thing i can tell you is use the Malström, its a very powerfull synth.....explore. |
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mfa
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 04:58
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oki, tnx  i will, any more tips? |
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PsYx
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 05:05
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Re-birth...or Muon Tao...with a little distortion...
U can use re-birth alongside with Reason...& U can use Muon Tao in Cubase as a VST...and eh...the Muon tao is free-ware... |
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motorik
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 08:21
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Hello MFA
this sound is obviously comes from one of the Tb 303 clones (or from TB itself).
Tb 303 is a synth that was created to make
bassline pattern (at the 80's i think) and later on when techno and acid genres were born into our world the artists started to use it as a lead sound , by tweaking the reso and cutoff.
you can do this sound with any of the clones from muon tau to claw to TBL and if you have one of creamware's boards you can get three one three synth, but there are many many more clones of this famous TB 303.
some makes the sound you want better and some will do it less good ,just try them.
The method to create this kind of sound is to put the resonance very high (75% - 90% reso) and then playing with the cutoff up and down while the pattern in plays from the sequencer.
very easy to do i'm sure you'll do it in no time.
enjoy.
salute
motorik
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 12:35
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motorik: Simon Posford never used a 303 in any of his tracks as Hallucinogen. This specific line that is talked about was created with the good'ol'vintage sh101.
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motorik
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 13:41
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o.k. kaz i wish i could be at his studio right there when he created this line but... i wasn't that lucky!!!!!
were you there ????
O.k. so Maybe this one specifically wasn't made by a TB303 but i'm sure you know you can make this kind of sounds with TB clones and thats the point of my reply to MFA 
I wonder ,can you tell me how do you know that simon NEVER used TB 303 in any of his tracks? thanks !!!
salute
motorik
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Anak
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 18:26
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 18:27
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To do those sound constantly going up and up you need to route a modulation envelope to an oscilator (and play only that oscilator)
Set the amount to a positive value (to make it go up or negative to make it go down) and with the mod env attack you control how fast the sound will go up or down
You can do that with lots of sinths, I personally use the nord lead or the v-station
at the moment im in university, and i got no sound here so couldn't listen to your example but im almost sure this is what you are looking for, it will make the sound go upppp forever (well...not forever, but for a long time...). Don't put the attack too low, or it will go up too fast |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 18:33
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ok, got some headphones to listen to it, aparently it wasn't what i thought you wanted... 
yes, this one sound quite like the 303, or a novation synth sound like the v-station
the sound going up i think is as simple as the frequency, don't see nothing special about it...
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 19:28
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On 2004-03-29 13:41, motorik wrote:
o.k. kaz i wish i could be at his studio right there when he created this line but... i wasn't that lucky!!!!!
were you there ????
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Simon Posford NEVER had a tb303 in his studio, as he stated in many interviews, websites (including his own, in which there is no 303 in the gear list, and hasn't been ever - I am following interviews of his since 1995 and in no one is there a 303 mentioned except once when he said that too many people use it), radio shows and every time he was asked what he has in his studio. On the other hand, he used his Roland SH101 a lot back then.
And since all Hallucinogen tracks were made and recorded in his studio, there couldn't have been a 303 in use there, even if you can't hear the difference (which any 303 junky could) - while the sound is somewhat similar to a 303, it is definately not - it just sounds analog (not virtual analog like the nordlead, virus, microq, novation stuff and so on), and that is enough to confuse most people today into thinking it's a 303.
BUT, back to creating sounds like this. Assuming you don't have analog grear, what you need to do is this:
1. Write the line you want to play with.
2. Edit and tweak the sound until you are happy with it. This is where you add distortion, choruses, ensembles and the such.
3. Cut off all the unecessary frequencies for it's role in the track (a post EQ). Usually, that will mean no sub/bass frequencies and lowering the treble a bit in order not to clash with the bassdrum, bassline or percussion.
4. Work without a filter now (or with no resonance and cutoff set to maximum on a LP, minimum in HP), and then try and make the EQ of the lead as 'flat' as possible, eliminating resonances in the sound. This is done with an EQ, you set the resonance and gain on a certain frequency to very high levels, and start changing the frequency. You will hear a rise in volume and a squeek/screetch on frequencies that are at a very high level in the sound. Once you find these frequency ranges, just EQ them in a way that when you do the same trick with an EQ after that and pass that frequency, the volume will stay the same. Repeat as necessary, until you have a fairly 'flat' sound (this can be checked using frequency analyzers, even though they are sometimes pretty innacurate... it is best if you have monitors for this).
5. Now, time to work with the filter, with a very mild envelope (or none at all). Raise the resonance slightly, and then tweak those knobs until you are happy (too much resonance will probably kill the fatness of a lead unless you REALLY take care and have monitors).
6. As you raise the cutoff (in case of an LP, the opposite if it's a HP), the lead will have a higher volume. There are two ways to level it out, either by applying an external highpass or lowpass (in short, the opposite type of filt er to the one you are using) and automating it, or by using a compressor on the sound - the first option being harder yet will give you a cleaner mixdown (and if done right, more room for other leads, strings, effects and the such). If you work with a compressor, make sure you tweak it so it doesn't crunch up the sound too much as it will cause the EQ work you did to become less accurate.
7. Apply a noise gate (as needed, if at all), reverbs, delays and the such.
... With synths like the nordlead, this is very easy to do as they give a naturally fat and fairly resonanceless sound (the resonance is usually only in the filter, not caused by the generator like in so many softsynths). http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 20:04
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Forgot to add: this way your lead will be fat, but making it not clash with other sounds is the next step - after all these, you can export it to .wav format, and then work on EQing out frequencies that are already used, routing several channels into one bus and adding dealing with the peaks and unwanted frequencies on that level... You can get really insane on soundwork is the lesson from all this 
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mfa
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 04:07
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wow thanks guys, i'll try everything, tho i still cant figure it out, but im getting close i feel it
tnx again i really appriciate your help and the time u gave to think/write it all |
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