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PoM
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 14:18
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hi , what is the difference between pulsar 2 and scope project , is it exactely the same cards? |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 15:21
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if yes, i want to buy a second hand pulsar 2 , can i get the scope softwares for free |
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katam
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 15:27
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the scope has more dsp in it ...but they both run on the same platform......i have a scope and frankly now i see that i could have settled for a pulsar 2....i dont use 50% of its options....
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Solar Plexus
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 17:39
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pulsar 2 and scope project are the same platform . creamware just divide it to 3 section :
scope home 3 DSP chips - in the past it was (luna , electra , power sampler) same HW different software pack and plugins included . today if u will buy it there is 1 software pack no more luna,electra,power sampler.
scope project-comes with 6 DSP chips , basically it's pulsar 2 with the extensive Synth and Sampler Pack or the Mix and Master Pack
scope pro - comes with 14 DSP chips and all the possible soft' expansions .
u can get only the scope 4 software without the new expansions .
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InnerAlchemy
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 12:26
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Hm....I've got a Pulsar 1 and I'm thinking of selling it. I don't use the internal instruments and plug-ins anymore. The integration in Cubase never worked correctly, clicks appear when bouncing Scope plugs and automatic latency compensation in Cubase don't work. Plus, the DSPs are not very powerful. Pulsar 1 has 4 DSPs but when I use the Pulsar mixer, 1 synth and 1 aux effect, the DSPs are already full and clicks start.
I think Scope/Pulsar cards are not worth the money. Though the D/A converters sound really good. |
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symbiote
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Posted : Sep 28, 2005 21:07
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Pulsar 2 and Scope Project are the same hardware. All the cards come with the basic software and a good chunk of plugins free. If you get a second hand card, you should be able to find one with extra plugins included. Check on eBay or in the Scope Purchasing forum on PlanetZ.com/forums.
BTW InnerAlchemy, you have to turn on "Realtime Bouncing" in Cubase to have the plugins not click at bounce time. This is necessary because the Creamware cards work realtime sample-per-sample, as opposed to native VST and cards like UAD and PowerCore that work on blocks of samples.
It's also a bit unrealistic to expect to run a full studio on 4 DSPs, as that is the average amount of DSPs alot of 16-voices synths have. I have an 18 DSPs system and never use any VST plugins, and am extremely happy about it. |
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 30, 2005 12:55
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thx ,my interest for the pulsar 2 is for the software synths , are they really good? or should i buy a rme and use vst |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 12:20
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hello there!
i have creamware's scope home (3 dsp) and i'm still trying to decide is it worth upgradeing in order to have some cw synths running!? i've heard few instruments so far (modular 2, saturn and some free synths) and i wasn't really impressed with their sound and controls. so i would also like 2 hear some words of wisdom about their extended synths package.
nevertheless... creamware is an OUTSTANDING sound card, even with only 3 dsp! You can use their effects from cubase as an external fx, and when pluged into scope platform they sound way much better then in XTC mode or VST. sidechain compression is a walk in the park with ther compressor, reverbs are damn good... and best of all, anything loaded in scope does not consumes any of your CPU!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 14:00
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Everything Zarg is really great sounding.
Plastic I use quite a bit.
The Pro-1 and Minimax I haven't got but heard excellent things about.
But the most amazing is IMO the Flexor modules for the modular.
I use them all the time for basses since I can't get anything to replace the density of the sound and the punch of the envelopes.
Of the free synths the Thrust and Wavelength Miniscope is very good.
The Waldorf oscillator can make for some very flexible modular synths and the formant filter of the modular 2 is very useful.
Also don't forget the flexibility the modular give you being able to route your signals into the modular using envelope followers combined with oscillators and filters. I don't know any way to achive that kind of results with VST. Kantor don't come close in results and sure not in flexibility.
One thing to remember with most Pulsar synths is that they don't have built in FX like many VST's, and the Pulsar FX is not that special.
So I tend to records the synths down and apply VST FX, and then they sound great IMO.
For basic mixing FX I use the Timeworks bundle wich have compression, EQ and reverb that is superb.
And forget about XTC mode. You hinder yourself from realizing the full power of the card and get bad performance.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Oct 1, 2005 23:03
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tnx man! not that i'm any smarter now but tnx anyway  For the time beeing it seems 2 me that the price is a bit 2 high for the instruments provided with it.
another thing... sts 5000! is it the ultimate sampler as they say it is?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 2, 2005 00:25
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The instruments provided + all the free synths avaiable makes the card worth the price on it's own I would say.
And for example the Pro-one is $50 and the Flexor package $100, so not all 3rd party plugs is very expensive at all.
I seen S/H Pulsar 2 cards for about $300 and if you are lucky you can pick one up with a lot of plugins for not so much more.
The STS5000 have cool features, but since the ESX24 works so well and draws practially no CPU I use that and never considered the samplers.
Nothing gives you as tight timing as host based samplers, and I mostly use my sampler for drums really.
So when it comes to basic sampling it's better to stay host based.
But if you like to play a lot with samples the STS5000 have realtime time stretching and formant shift which I guess can be fun.
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InnerAlchemy
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Posted : Oct 5, 2005 22:54
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nevertheless... creamware is an OUTSTANDING sound card, even with only 3 dsp! You can use their effects from cubase as an external fx, and when pluged into scope platform they sound way much better then in XTC mode or VST. |
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Hm...never thought of using pulsar plugs as External FX in Cubase. Could you explain me the routing/setup for this? Have you ever tried using real hardware synths as external instruments in cubase too? does this work for you? |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 03:03
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- first insert asio source with 6,8 (or more) chanels in your routing window.
- then insert asio destination with same number of chanels
- insert any effects you like and rout them on asio chanels with same chanel numbers (asio source 3/4 to FX and to asio dest. 3/4) Chanels 1/2 leave free. Cubase is using them to import analog input, preview etc.
now start cubase and press F4 and you'll get VST connections window. under External FX choose "add new bus". You have to assign asio chanels manualy for each effect. Under plug ins you'll notice new group named "external fx" when you select it a window will open where you can measure the latency of effect (if any). Remember to set effect to 100% dry when measuring latency.
that's about it....
yes... you can connect other external instruments in the same way. works pretty good for me 
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InnerAlchemy
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 21:43
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thanks...I will try that |
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