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cgranber
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Posted : May 4, 2005 00:46
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On 2005-05-03 03:19, Bagginz wrote:
Hello Orik,
The site is just being re-designed and I will some new content soon, but it has some info about what I use:
http://www.cosmosis.co.uk
Cheers,
Bill
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nice tips... thanks for the virus patches, awesome  |
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Bagginz
Cosmosis
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Posted : May 4, 2005 02:45
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Holy mother of god, I was about to cheekily ask for your Virus B patches thinking that there'd be no way you'd let others have them and go to your site and there they are for download. Wow! Thanks for this.
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No worries. Enjoy!
Incidentally you may get more value out of the patches by reverse engineering a few of them and figuring out how to end up with that sound, so that you can re-create it yourself when you want.
Also bear in mind that they are basic sounds and that the knobs on the Virus will be tweaked once they are playing a nice part inside the sequencer.
Once that is sitting nicely, it will be recorded to audio, then eq'd, processed and otherwise effected with plug-ins. etc.
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Out of curiousity are you at all interested in getting the Virus TI when it comes out?
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Looks like a very nice idea, but I am not going to buy one as I don't have a need for it.
I got off the latest gear upgrade merry-go-round some time ago.
But if I was glooking to buy the ONE hardware synth to use both as a sound source and a controller for VSTIs and I didn't already have a Virus B, then it would be a damn good choice.
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Oddly enough, it was when I finally started doing 'one-shot' effects in Cubase, that I couldn't undo/tweak/procrastinate about, that my tracks started moving along.
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Well, it is no coincidence.
Bear in mind that the process of composition consists of a long series of choices; of selecting *this* out of those options.
In other words decisions.
Notice that the verb "decide" in the English language derives from the same Greek root as suicide, homicide, matricide, genocide etc.
Except in this case it means to kill off the other options
You may find it helpful to keep that in mind, because if at any time you cannot choose between options, i.e:
"Should it be this kick drum or that kick drum? Er... or maybe it should be this one...er or how about that one?" etc..
then that will be exactly the point at which you are held up in your creative endeavor.
It helps to keep in mind that composition is "killing off other options" because we all need a little spur to just choose and get on with it.
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I had to resign myself that nothing will ever be perfect, and to just keep going.
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Great that you keep going...
But you may find it more empowering for yourself as a composer to reframe your thinking to that your choices have been perfect out the range of options that you have presented yourself with.
In other words *trusting* your ears and yourself.
Good luck with it and happy tweaking,
Bill
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Posted : May 4, 2005 04:13
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On 2005-05-04 02:45, Bagginz wrote:
No worries. Enjoy!
Incidentally you may get more value out of the patches by reverse engineering a few of them and figuring out how to end up with that sound, so that you can re-create it yourself when you want.
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This was my plan. I don't have time to get into writing entire tracks at the moment and want to use what spare time I do have getting good at sound design. I find deconstructing patches an excellent way to learn tricks I might not have thought of myself. |
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slyman604
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Posted : May 4, 2005 06:23
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"Hi Slyman,
well I am happy to share the info, but I don't actually have a recording of that I can listen to..."
hey bill, thanks so much for all this info.
http://www.sidetrakkt.com/dperclead.mp3
Its the real formanty sound that comes in at 4 seconds, a bit in the background.
I actually bought a k2000 a few years ago because of that track and that very sound. Im pretty sure its the k's bandpass filters with some shaper maybe but i guess it could be the prophecy that you mentioned on your site. I never quite nailed it though and its ironic that i sold the synth 3 weeks ago and now cosmosis himself is offering up info on that damn sound. |
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br0d
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Posted : May 4, 2005 11:24
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Dang, archive.cubase.net is down. I wanted to drop a link to the one of the best threads ever, the one where me, Bill, and a few others were discussing the ins and outs of procrastination and gear. I think it was called "Recording MIDI to Audio inevitably results in a remix"
Seriously, the more tools you add to your toolbelt, the heavier it gets, and the harder it is to get from point A to B, and you end up in analysis paralysis.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AnalysisParalysis
IMO the only ways to beat analysis paralysis are:
-Limit your tools.
-Enhance the goal.
Limiting the tools reduces distraction, and enhancing the goal steamrolls over distraction. Both are methods of darkening the "critical path line" between starting point A and endpoint B. Currently I'm not doing much of either, and as a result I am producing less than I want to be.
Limiting the tools is self-explanatory, but how do you enhance the goal? You have to convince yourself that completion and release are more rewarding than potential and noodling. This is not always easy to do.
IMO the #1 method is immersion. Knowing your target audience, knowing how your work will benefit them, knowing that they will actually suffer a loss or miss out on something if you meander irresponsibly.
After meandering irresponsibly for quite some time, I have actually started to *go out more* in order to remind my jaded self that people actually appreciate what I do, and that "decision" has its benefits. Decision is swept along by motivation, which is based on goals, and goals are based on desire, which is created by exposure. Ironic then, that sometimes the best way to finish your songs is to leave your studio. |
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Ronaron303
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Posted : May 4, 2005 14:12
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Holy mother of god, I was about to cheekily ask for your Virus B patches thinking that there'd be no way you'd let others have them and go to your site and there they are for download. Wow! Thanks for this.
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No worries. Enjoy!
Good luck with it and happy tweaking,
Bill
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BIG THANKS BILL! |
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Bagginz
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Posted : May 5, 2005 04:20
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Ah yeah, I got it now.
Thanks for posting that clip. I haven't heard that tune for years. I will have to dig out my old DATs...
That sound was made with a Virus A.
I believe that I may have also processed it (subtly) with a phaser patch from an Ensoniq DP2.
I used to shove most things through the two DP2's that I used to have in my rack, and I especially used to cane the Phaser - As did everyone else who had a DP2 or DP4
One of the easy-to-miss but main characterstics of that sound, other than the obvious vocal like quality, is the slow amp envelope attack.
I find slow attacks particularly good for the more psychedelic sounds...
Very - early Koxbox 
If you are interested in how to get that type of vocal sound, this should set you off in the right direction:
This is from my website: http://www.cosmosis.co.uk
(Which is currently being re-designed and will be finished soon)
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How to set up a basic Vocal Filter type of sound using an Access Virus:
Set the amp, envelope with fast attack full sustain and minimum release without clicks.
Select a single saw wave.
Feed it into two 12db band pass filters (in parallel) each with about 25% resonance - as a starting point.
Give each filter some filter envelope depth ( 20% ish )
Now choose to have one filter envelope positive and one negative, in other words in opposing directions, one going up, one going down.
In this case both cutoffs are referring to the same envelope (the filter envelope) but the polarity of one filter's envelope is reversed.
Tweak the two cutoffs so that they are offset to each other. (try both ways - but one way will give you a greater range.)
Make an interesting part, run it in th esequencer and tweak these parameters on the fly:
1. The two cutoffs - *opposite* ways to each other.
2.Envelope depth on the filters.
3.Envelope decay time.
You may also want to lose all filter envelope depth and just tweak the cutoffs in opposite direction to each other.
Or, you can also patch both filters to the mod. wheel or, have Velocity modulate cutoff depth or envelope filter depth or whatever...
You don't actually need to own a Virus to do this kind of patch. One very good soft synth that has this capability is the LinPlug Albino 2.
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I actually bought a k2000 a few years ago because of that track and that very sound. Im pretty sure its the k's bandpass filters with some shaper maybe but i guess it could be the prophecy that you mentioned on your site. I never quite nailed it though and its ironic that i sold the synth 3 weeks ago and now cosmosis himself is offering up info on that damn sound.
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Well you were right about the band pass filters at least
The K2000 is an incredibly powerful digital synth still. I used to spend days inside my one. But by today's standards of ergonomics, it is just too much of a hassle to use.
Cheers,
Bill
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Bagginz
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Posted : May 7, 2005 00:08
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On 2005-05-02 21:07, slyman604 wrote:
i would love to know whats the "snorty" lead on doors of perception, i think its a k2000 but ill be damned if ive ever got it to sound like that.
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Slyman,
do you have a Virus?
I feel sorry for you having shelled out all that cash to buy a K2000 and still not be able to get the sound that you wanted...
If you like, I can send you a Virus patch, that is pretty close to that sound.
Which I then recommend that you de-construct btw...
Let me know if you want.
Regards,
Bill
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Posted : May 7, 2005 00:59
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Many many thanks for the links to that site... I am actually looking forward to reverse engineering some of those Albino patches... (My favorite vst)
Good to see an established old schooler here droppin knowledge on us new kids. Looking forward to hearing you play and hopefully meeting you at the Phoenix Festival in Oregon! Take care man and thanks for the information!
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Posted : May 7, 2005 01:23
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On 2005-05-07 00:59, mubali wrote:
Good to see an established old schooler here droppin knowledge on us new kids.
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Yes indeed. Bill, thanx a lot!
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NikC
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Posted : May 7, 2005 05:05
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Agreed
The Albino patches are top-notch, great for learning about that particular (also my favourite) VSTi.
Many thanks Bill for sharing your knowledge!
Peace
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Posted : May 7, 2005 07:05
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Yeah very cool cosmosi
not like some other 'pros' 
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s0ft
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Posted : May 7, 2005 07:09
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Bagginz
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Posted : May 7, 2005 15:57
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On 2005-05-07 00:59, mubali wrote:
Many many thanks for the links to that site...
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De nada dude
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I am actually looking forward to reverse engineering some of those Albino patches... (My favorite vst)
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Smart move.
That way you will create a lot more value for yourself
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Good to see an established old schooler here droppin knowledge on us new kids.
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Well, it is enjoyable to contribute to others, so I like to encourage new producers when I have a bit of time...
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Many thanks Bill for sharing your knowledge!
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Among other things it's my way of nuturing a scene that has given me so much. Kind of like re-paying a debt.
Cheers,
Bill
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : May 7, 2005 16:56
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On 2005-05-07 15:57, Bagginz wrote:
Among other things it's my way of nuturing a scene that has given me so much. Kind of like re-paying a debt.
Cheers,
Bill
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Man that's refreshing to read.
Much respect Mr. Baggins!
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