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cosmo 10 hours live act?
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minus
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 10:04
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great all you have managed to explain all this as some terminologies, and breaking it down into definitions.kool definitions but
Anyone got inputs on how to go about building a live set?!!!! small small inputs, some triks, what would u do in a live set, how would u go about doin your thing.etc etc
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willsanquil
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Beat Agency
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To me the most important is to make every live performance different from each other.
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 23:19
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come on mister thinning, you should be more open to teaching us kids, how it is really supposed to be done. or they r some trade secrets?
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 14, 2011 23:32
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On 2011-04-14 23:19, minus wrote:
come on mister thinning, you should be more open to teaching us kids, how it is really supposed to be done. or they r some trade secrets?
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Not really. A live performance can be done in a 1000 ways. It's all up to your creative mind spiced with hard work. One good advice is to think "live" when you create the tunes - as in prepare them for live.
Or find a band and do it the old-school way 
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Ellon
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Posted : Apr 15, 2011 00:22
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On 2011-04-14 05:14, demoniac wrote:
I have a suggestion that maybe will satisfy our needs:
1. Live act - Live performance that is very close to the "rock band" performace, this would include bands like Shulman, Spongle, Cosmosis, Skazi etc...
Performance includes: Playing a real instrument like drums, guitar, Keyboard synth, and other similar instruments.
2. Live set - Performace that is made by an artist playing his own tracks, performace includes:
Dj set of the tracks, playing with loops, mashing up tracks, playing with effects etc.
3.Dj set is performance which includes playing tracks from other artists, without too much changes in the structure of the sounds.
What do you think?
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Very nice suggestion...
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Apr 15, 2011 12:20
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On 2011-04-14 05:14, demoniac wrote:
I have a suggestion that maybe will satisfy our needs:
1. Live act - Live performance that is very close to the "rock band" performace, this would include bands like Shulman, Spongle, Cosmosis, Skazi etc...
Performance includes: Playing a real instrument like drums, guitar, Keyboard synth, and other similar instruments.
2. Live set - Performace that is made by an artist playing his own tracks, performace includes:
Dj set of the tracks, playing with loops, mashing up tracks, playing with effects etc.
3.Dj set is performance which includes playing tracks from other artists, without too much changes in the structure of the sounds.
What do you think?
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works for me
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 16, 2011 03:08
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On 2011-04-14 05:14, demoniac wrote:
I have a suggestion that maybe will satisfy our needs:
1. Live act - Live performance that is very close to the "rock band" performace, this would include bands like Shulman, Spongle, Cosmosis, Skazi etc...
Performance includes: Playing a real instrument like drums, guitar, Keyboard synth, and other similar instruments.
2. Live set - Performace that is made by an artist playing his own tracks, performace includes:
Dj set of the tracks, playing with loops, mashing up tracks, playing with effects etc.
3.Dj set is performance which includes playing tracks from other artists, without too much changes in the structure of the sounds.
What do you think?
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The names 'live act' and 'live set' are too close to each other, and the differences between them are a little contrived.
I have an alternative suggestion, that I also made a couple of years ago:
1) 'LIVE' - In my opinion the word 'live' should be used only to refer to a set where the artist performs their own music or their own productions (including remixes or cover versions) with some degree of real-time interaction and manipulation of one or more aspects of the music being heard, according to the commonly-accepted definition of 'live music', over and above mixing between two or more pre-prepared recordings of tracks (ie. DJing is not 'live').
2) 'PRODUCER SET' - used to denote sets where the majority of music played is written or produced by the performer, but no musical interaction other than mixing (no matter how intensely done) between pre-prepared recordings of tracks takes place. Can be from laptop or decks. Includes pre-rendered sets aka 'press-play-and-dance'.
3) 'DJ SET' - the performer plays recordings of other people's music from a laptop or decks; may include one or more of the performer's own productions.
Cosmo 10 hour live set? I SMASH YOR FACE ON MIXER. Cosmo 10 hour producer set? Sounds great man!
Right, good to get that off my chest again for another year. I know I've got no hope of getting my suggestions adopted so please, all you acts with pre-rendered 'live' sets, carry on with the vital business of your acting: denying your laziness and cashing in on the hard work other people do to establish live musicianship as something worth putting on stage and paying extra for.
If you've got the knowledge to make the music, you've got the knowlege to add at least some form of live musical manipulation to your performances. Denying this is an admission of failure and/or laziness; last week I put on a performance with some of the 10-year-old schoolkids I teach where they performed their own music using Ableton Live; one group did a real-time composition from pre-prepared loops and scenes, and another group did a live remix of a track they'd previously written in eJay.
If a 10-year-old can do it THEN SO CAN YOU. Otherwise at least be honest about what you're doing on stage; we all know why you don't go round promoting the fact you do nothing on stage - it's because it's embarrassing, and for good reason. There are positive ways of talking about DJing your own tracks rather than faking a live performance, so be honest about what you do; you'll find it's a weight off your shoulders and will actually gain you respect.
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*raises hand for next available reincarnation slot where I get to be a 10 year old and taught how to make music by colin*
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*goes in line behind willsanquil
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Apr 16, 2011 14:27
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On 2011-04-16 03:59, willsanquil wrote:
*raises hand for next available reincarnation slot where I get to be a 10 year old and taught how to make music by colin*
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*goes in line behind willsanquil
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* that makes three of us
But I like he distinction made by Demoniac
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 16, 2011 16:59
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Even if one does not want to make live versions of their album tracks in the studio in order to present something new to the people...How hard is it to layer a couple of midi files or play a singe note drone and tweak the cut-off, or throw somenice vox samples in the arrangement/sampler to layer in the set...I mean really?
Peace out.
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 16:01
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hello Colln
thanks a lot for your answer...
i agree with what you say, and i also like the way you define it. for sure it wont be possible to make the whole world use it but its something. anyways for me was more about defining how its being used for ths particular style and defining the use of the word in the 'everyday life' rather than define it as a concept.
anyways i do have a question for you, just to see your take on the subject
a lot of the most well known live acts in the darkpsy do at least some form of live manipulation, at least adding synths and loops live that are modulated in different ways. would this fit in your definition of live act?.
i dont know why suddenly the debate changes to being lazy. if a producer is mixing 1 track every 2/3 minutes, its for sure 'work' on some level. i understand why you dont call it live, but for me its just too harsh to say its out of lazyness. it may apply in some cases, but not all.
when i discovered the scene this 'fake live set' thing existed already, so for me it never felt 'fake'. it was like this when i met it and i never really felt that 'real live' music is better than 'mixed' one, it really depends on the music. for me this music was always about things which are not possibly human and i never really cared so much about whats the producer doing.
i agree anyways that no one in the world would step up and say 'yeah this is fake live set', i also agree that party promoters would never accept that. its very true that the fake live set thing is accepted and tolerated everywhere and i understand your 'rage' colin when it comes to the subject, specially when you mention the 'cashing in'. this scene is really unstable and not professional some times and i see your frustration as a musician in dealing with this.
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I'm not lazy, on the contrary, and would love to play live (as live as it can be) but 1st you need:
1. Organizers who are willing to pay for extra musicians, transport of gear, insurance of gear etc. I personally haven't met those organizers who are willing to pay the price. They seem to use their budgets on the big names who push start and leave the breadcrumbs for the rest of the acts (When they aren't asked to play for free).
2. An audience who care. Again I doubt 99.9% really care. If they did why do they keep supporting all those fake live artists? They are not stupid. They know when the artists fake it.
Last I like to say that I personally always ask to DJ instead as I find it very weird to push a button or at best tweak a few knobs, play some pads and if the music is not too fast some melody lines, start/stop loops and experiment with effects (That's about all one man can do really with the limited budget).
And when I do say yes to play my music I always make sure to tell them it will be a DJ set with my own music. Fun thing is they always write "live" no matter what I ask them to write.
Another debate (probably debated a 1000 times) is if it's not more interesting to have a few good DJ's than "live" acts in a party. IMO it is as I don't really see the need for "live" acts in parties (excluding festivals).
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