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Cosma - Did he have a vision of his death?
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 9, 2005 09:21
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On 2005-04-08 13:58, HandA wrote:
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Again I doubt you'll find many that will back up your idea that he foretold his own destiny in his music.
Phewwwww!Ok Mr Handa,it seems you were right saying that not many will back me up!
I don't think I have any more comments on this subject.I'm just impressed that I'm the only one here who have noticed the COSMA thing.
Maybe I'm crazy!
Maybe we're all crazy!
Maybe I'm the only one normal!
Maybe I'm the only one crazy!
Excuse me now I just had a vision of me going to the BATHROOM!
I'm off....
Again.
Peace & respect to all of you & to Mr.Cosma.
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 9, 2005 09:59
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On 2005-04-08 14:11, traveller wrote:
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On 2005-04-08 11:10, Neville Bone wrote:
Dear Friends,
With all respect to one of the greatest trance artists
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One might disagree witht hat quite strongly..
I STRONGLY DOUBT THAT!
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traveller
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Posted: Apr 9, 2005
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If you ask me there would be no hype if the man was still alive. Personally I don't think there's really anything special to his music, mediocre trance.. but that's just me.
 "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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HandA
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Posted: Apr 9, 2005
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On 2005-04-09 13:26, traveller wrote:
If you ask me there would be no hype if the man was still alive. Personally I don't think there's really anything special to his music, mediocre trance.. but that's just me.
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I total agree. He's been so over-hyped that even people that never heard about him or listened to his music think it's good
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synthohm
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Posted: Apr 9, 2005
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ah... flaming.. the rush, the thrill! i'll just hide and lay still in me bunker and watch the fight begin 
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EYB
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Posted: Apr 9, 2005
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No, i also think u are both right.
There is 10 times better music that don't get even 1/10 of this hype, coz the artists are still alive.
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Acidhive
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Posted: Apr 9, 2005
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I have to agree here that Cosma's music has been overhyped immensely since he died. Everybody seems to like his music now, whereas when he was still alive a lot of people actually said his music was average at best. (Including me) I still think most of his tracks are average. He has some good tracks, but hey, so does Alien Project or Astrix for example. And that absurd theory of him having a vision where he saw himself dying and making really emotional tunes as a reaction is just pure bullshit. And EYB is right. There is music out there that is 10 times better and receives 1/10 of the hype Cosma gets nowadays.
And hey, just a reminder: Bonky died at early age as well, but you don't see nobody hyping his music... "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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shahar
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Posted : Apr 9, 2005 19:44
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When I talked to Avihen before he went to a short vacation in Goa before the release of his album and the world tour that was supposed to follow, he didn't seem to have any plans to die. On the contrary.
However, Neville, for me, when I listen to Non Stop, I also hear a lot of things that connect for me to the story of his death, and so do some of my friends. I hear it in the music, in the samples, in the order of tracks, I even see it in the cover.
However, I realize that a musical experience is made of the connection between the music and the listener. As a listener, especially, when the music I listen to was written by a friend of mine who died, I realize that connections like that are natural. As it can be natural for anyone listening to the album and knowing about Avihen's death.
Was that reality? Did he know? Did his subconcsious know? Dunno man. These things are beyond our knowledge. It can be true, it can be false. Does it really matters?
What matters is what you experienced when meeting with the music, what was the story the music created in your head and heart.
For me, in many ways, the story this album created connected deeply to Avihen's death.
And ppl, two things:
1. please don't ridicule someone's idea just because it seems weird, funny or stupid to you. How would you feel if someone whould do that to your idea? Try to think about that.
2. Avihen's death is still an open wound for quite a few people who frequent this forum, including friends and family. Please please please, don't turn this into a fight. Thank you.
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HandA
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Posted : Apr 9, 2005 21:53
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On 2005-04-09 19:44, shahar wrote:
When I talked to Avihen before he went to a short vacation in Goa before the release of his album and the world tour that was supposed to follow, he didn't seem to have any plans to die. On the contrary.
However, Neville, for me, when I listen to Non Stop, I also hear a lot of things that connect for me to the story of his death, and so do some of my friends. I hear it in the music, in the samples, in the order of tracks, I even see it in the cover.
However, I realize that a musical experience is made of the connection between the music and the listener. As a listener, especially, when the music I listen to was written by a friend of mine who died, I realize that connections like that are natural. As it can be natural for anyone listening to the album and knowing about Avihen's death.
Was that reality? Did he know? Did his subconcsious know? Dunno man. These things are beyond our knowledge. It can be true, it can be false. Does it really matters?
What matters is what you experienced when meeting with the music, what was the story the music created in your head and heart.
For me, in many ways, the story this album created connected deeply to Avihen's death.
And ppl, two things:
1. please don't ridicule someone's idea just because it seems weird, funny or stupid to you. How would you feel if someone whould do that to your idea? Try to think about that.
2. Avihen's death is still an open wound for quite a few people who frequent this forum, including friends and family. Please please please, don't turn this into a fight. Thank you.
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I did not see anyone redicule the idea that he foretold his own dead. Most of us just dont agree and find it a bit too far fetched.
And yes for those who was close to him his dead is still an open wound but that should not put a lit on the fact that some people who did not even know him in person tend to hype him after his dead. I also suspect that some of these people actually never listened to his music before he died. But that's pure speculation from my part of course. But I doubt anyone can deny that he's a bit overhyped now. It's a normal thing when an artists die premature. Just look at all the dead artists (like Marilyn, Elvis ect ect) still being overhyped even 40-50 years after their deads. It's human nature to create myths.
I haven't seen anyone being disrespectful to Avichen or his relatives and friends and for sure they deserve to be respected. |
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Surrender
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Posted : Apr 9, 2005 23:21
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scraper
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Posted : Apr 10, 2005 02:44
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I dunno about overhype. maybe it gave his album more attention. but I truely believe his album is special and it has touched lots and lots of people.
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Toghun
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Posted : Apr 10, 2005 21:52
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On 2005-04-08 11:21, pr0fane wrote:
Cosmas music was always very emotional - some would say melancholic. I think it's natural that his death make his releases even more emotional to people, but your theory is a bit much
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 10:45
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Well well well,
To start with I'm happy that at least another person here (Shahar) has also noticed few things in Cosma's music like I did.
About the fact that Cosma's music was overhyped I'm sorry to say but I strongly disagree with that and the reason is that:
Many people in the dancefloor have no idea that - the music which is being played in a dancefloor was produced by Cosma or by someone who has died but still when a Cosma track is played the dancefloor goes to a higher level beacuse of jis excellent melodies and beacuse of the feeling his music gives us.
One day when I was djying in an outdoor party in Malta I decided to play quite a few tracks by Cosma during sunrise (and beleive me the local ppl.in the dancefloor had no idea what I was playing) the dancefloor was full of colour,ppl.had a special smile on their face and the dance floor kept going till very late that day so that's defiently not a matter of overhyping,but a matter of good and sentimental music which came from the heart!
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Krusty
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 12:34
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maybe we should recommend to the new pope that he gets a sainthood....
come on...yeah he wrote some music, some people like it...and yes it WAS a tradegy...but can we let this one lie a bit... to many "when I saw him here..and before his album release he said...." whose to know? Messages in the music...I ma sure if you listen hard enough to a tap dripping you can determine somekind of message.....
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HandA
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 12:42
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On 2005-04-11 10:45, Neville Bone wrote:
About the fact that Cosma's music was overhyped I'm sorry to say but I strongly disagree with that and the reason is that:
Many people in the dancefloor have no idea that - the music which is being played in a dancefloor was produced by Cosma or by someone who has died but still when a Cosma track is played the dancefloor goes to a higher level beacuse of jis excellent melodies and beacuse of the feeling his music gives us. |
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And so do a lot of other music too. You don't see x+ people sitting in forum hyping other artists music the same way (except for the usual IM fanatics). Mostly people also critisise the music. But when it come to Cosma it's all so rosey red and amazing. Sorry but I just dont agree and there's other who think as me. His music is overhyped due to his dead.. Use your search in this forum and you'll see long long threads with people trying to outrun eachother finding ways to praise him as if he's the most amazing artist that ever lived. But of course people like you that almost (if not) see him as a god wont admit that  |
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