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Correlation of psychedelic drugs use and psy trance over time
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J
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 15:25
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Moderation is the house...  |
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 15:40
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can you feel it? 
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rich
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 19:29
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@ ~d2~ "Can we really claim that less people are on the 'search' these days?
How did you arrive at that conclusion or is it just wild speculation?"
I owe you a proper response to that but unfortunately I'm too lazy and constrained by time at the moment, so let's just say it's my own wild speculation  But seriously, I have some criteria which may or may not be empirically conclusive, and more than likely is influenced by my own 'state of being', if you'll accept that, and of course my taste in music.
(Wish we could meet and talk some day. We could even switch it up and play devils advocate and see what comes of it )
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~d2~
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@ rich
I appreciate the response. I do hope that you do get some time to expand as it is an interesting subject. I would go as far as saying that it is influenced by your own bias as a participant, not just likely.
Commercial success, for my own observations, does lead to an influx of more hedonistic drug attitudes. I believe I have witnessed this with many genres over the years. |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 21:08
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Instead of a yuppie/hippie drug dichotomy, what about living healthy without the use of drugs? Psytrance culture is not going to implode if people cut down on their drug usage. Far from it--the quality of music and of events would have to go up if people were augmenting their realities a little less than they presently do. Think about it: the best parties are the ones that are intrinsically enjoyable, not just those where you had a good trip. Likewise, if you need a bit of help to make music sound good, well... it isn't good to begin with, and why bother with it? There are many ways to expand your mind... drugs are an option, yes--but they should not be viewed as a necessary prerequisite for authenticity in this scene.
+1 Kane as well, good post. |
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J
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 22:54
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On 2009-04-07 21:08, Basilisk wrote:
Think about it: the best parties are the ones that are intrinsically enjoyable, not just those where you had a good trip. Likewise, if you need a bit of help to make music sound good, well... it isn't good to begin with, and why bother with it? There are many ways to expand your mind... drugs are an option, yes--but they should not be viewed as a necessary prerequisite for authenticity in this scene.
+1 Kane as well, good post.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 23:04
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I think there is a clear correlation.
But personally I have the strict rule:
Never do music on drugs (legal or illegal, not even caffeine) - instead try to reach that state THROUGH the music which you create.
But anyways some quote from a guy from the band "tool" which I find also true.
"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a Favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cd’s and burn em’. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Rrrrrrrrrrrrreal ------ high on drugs."
--Bill Hicks
 Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 00:18
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The question is would they have done it as good with out?
George Martin claimed in an interview he could tell when the guys had slipped off for joint. Their playing (Beatles) wasn't as good. He also said that it was only really Lennon who was into the LSD. |
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RK9
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 02:03
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But anyways some quote from a guy from the band "tool" which I find also true.
"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a Favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cd’s and burn em’. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Rrrrrrrrrrrrreal ------ high on drugs."
--Bill Hicks
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Bill Hicks was not a member of Tool, despite the fact that many samples of him are used in their songs |
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 02:18
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The lead singer was a friend of Bill Hicks. He did some stand up as well. That particular album was dedicated to him. |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 07:30
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But anyways some quote from a guy from the band "tool" which I find also true.
"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a Favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cd’s and burn em’. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Rrrrrrrrrrrrreal ------ high on drugs."
--Bill Hicks
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Bill Hicks was not a member of Tool, despite the fact that many samples of him are used in their songs
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thanks, I didn't now
Most of my music for you to download at:
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Login
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 08:12
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what these scene needs is more love.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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thinkingsound
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What does the psy in psytrance mean? |
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braininavat
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Posted : Apr 10, 2009 03:48
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the correlation should be 1...
otherwise it strikes me as having a swingers party with a stipultion there won't be any fucking involved. |
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Kane
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Posted : Apr 10, 2009 04:34
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On 2009-04-07 23:04, subconsciousmind wrote:
I think there is a clear correlation.
But personally I have the strict rule:
Never do music on drugs (legal or illegal, not even caffeine) - instead try to reach that state THROUGH the music which you create.
But anyways some quote from a guy from the band "tool" which I find also true.
"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a Favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cd’s and burn em’. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Rrrrrrrrrrrrreal ------ high on drugs."
--Bill Hicks
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Aren't you contradicting yourself a bit here?
I really can't imagine many people actually making music on hallucinogens. Either way it's still kind of a chicken-egg dilemma.
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On 2009-04-08 08:12, Login wrote:
what these scene needs is more love.
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<3
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On 2009-04-10 03:48, braininavat wrote:
the correlation should be 1...
otherwise it strikes me as having a swingers party with a stipultion there won't be any fucking involved.
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Yes, "like being invited to a 50's themed party, but the only element of the 50's is segregation." 
You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me? |
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