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Correlation of psychedelic drugs use and psy trance over time
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Aluxe
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Posted : Apr 6, 2009 23:24:21
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I am just curious. Have we seen a decline in use of real psychedelic drugs from the Goa days and an increase in non psychedelic drugs? You know how in the 60s everyone was using psychedelic drugs like LSD but by the 70s and 80s people started to use instead cocaine and other non psychedelic drugs. And as the drugs changed so did the music. So I am wondering if after the Goa peak of the late 90’s we entered some kind of Yuppie era where psychedelic drugs use started to go down and was replaced by other non psychedelic drugs. Where I live I am kind of out of the loop so I am curious what everyone has to say about this.
And I hear a lot of people complaining that it’s the drugs that are killing the scene. But what exactly are these drugs people are using? Because psychedelics like LSD, mushrooms, peyote, dmt etc actually made everything much more psychedelic in the Goa days. I mean there were a lot of people tripping and artist feeding off all the trips and psychedelic experiences and creating some really fucking amazing music.
And I have to say this as well: I also wonder if the censoring of free psychedelic drug talk here on Isratrance has actually on some level also contributed to this Yuppie mentality where the drugged out crazy freak tripping high who felt free in the Goa dancefloor is here being told shut up or leave. Like this almost goes against the spirit that started this scene. So I wonder what effect that has had on the forum and if it has contributed to decreased user activity in the last years and if it has also in turn influenced the mentality in the scene outside.
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Kane
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 01:05
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Isratrance has legitimate reasons for "censoring" the drug discussion..there are plenty of other forums where you can talk about acid as much as you want. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to take responsibility for people talking about it.
I don't have any problem with psychedelics in this scene until it gets to the point where people think that drugs are the foundation of the music and scene, or that it's necessary to use drugs at all to enjoy a party.
I don't think that the pointless and dangerous drugs that you're talking about are killing the scene either..if anything, the people using them constantly are. It never really has as much to do with the drugs as the mentality of those using them.
Some artist isn't going to snort a line and think "oh, well now I should make music with absolutely no character". That idea comes from egotism and elitism, which are so much more of a threat to having a good experience than some guy on coke that I've never met.
 You believe in the users?
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toogoodforyou
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 01:09
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Nice question. I wonder the same thing at times. I mean whatever psychedelic parties i've been to majority is using acid or mdma. Yeah i agree we can dance and enjoy without them too. But on this forum drugs are not to be mentioned.
Instead of brushing it aside there should be more awareness / information of resposible drug use. Its called 'Psychedelic' Trance for a reason. |
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rich
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 01:31
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Maybe less people are on the 'search' these days (inner journey, tribal communion of a higher level). More people just want to have a good time on a superficial level. So naturally the drugs of choice reflects that.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 03:56
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Isratrance has legitimate reasons for "censoring" the drug discussion..there are plenty of other forums where you can talk about acid as much as you want. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to take responsibility for people talking about it.
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It's all a matter of perspective but ultimately a personal decision that the owners of Isratrance have to take, and I can respect that. I was just curious if maybe there have been negative consequences from all the drug censoring overtime. Because IMO in a psy forum you ideally want to have all the real crazy trippers spilling their psychedelic juice, the real psychonauts! You know the freaks that are making purple psychedelic dragons with the smoke coming out of their chillums!
And I could see how some mod asking them to tone down their mushroomdmt talk could be a turn off.
But my initial question was more about the scene in general, like is it an accepted fact these days that psychedelics are not as popular any more like in the Goa days?
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Instead of brushing it aside there should be more awareness / information of resposible drug use.
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I totally agree.
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Maybe less people are on the 'search' these days (inner journey, tribal communion of a higher level)
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You may be touching the truth there.
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 05:24
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Can we really claim that less people are on the 'search' these days?
How did you arrive at that conclusion or is it just wild speculation? |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 06:59
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I think I see more people on psy druqks these days at gigs than in the Goa days.
I think it just depends on the quality of the journey, not what you take to go on it.
I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy! |
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RK9
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 10:46
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lol I typed like 8 different replies and kept erasing because I couldn't get coherent
anyway, I feel like the psychedelic drugs are definitely still involved, but in more of a mental way than a spiritual way, like I feel they used to be.
The scene today wants to make me think, but I don't want to think or do, I just want to BE (I hope my meaning gets across) |
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 11:10
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The scene today wants to make me think, but I don't want to think or do, I just want to BE (I hope my meaning gets across)
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ego?
anyway no matter drugs its all about your personality and your values for life, the behavior, the comprehension, the cooperation, the wisdom you might earn in the way and the way you share your feelings, thoughts, knowledge
its supposed with psychedelics to trough your ego, to be one and to be awaken.. if you use that for the exact opposite than these, if ego is still the front feeling that fights with the balance then theres a problem imho
anyway lots are afraid of lsd too and prefer the mdma solution,, the easy way to be drugged and feel always happy and shit like that, you know, the playground fullon sound,, music style has followed the drug trend too 
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RK9
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 11:48
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On 2009-04-07 11:10, gutter wrote:
anyway lots are afraid of lsd too and prefer the mdma solution,, the easy way to be drugged and feel always happy and shit like that, you know, the playground fullon sound,, music style has followed the drug trend too |
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"I have no ego, that's why I'm better than all of you!" 
I don't understand why people knock on MDMA as a substance. Even though I rarely take it anymore I still feel like it helped me change some basic things about myself for the better. |
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 12:22
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"its not what you have its how you use it"
everyone have their ego its just how willing you are to give than to take from someone, at least it has to be a balance in sharing .. and i knock on md cause its a substance that kill all your serotonin with happy feelings and no psychedelic at all, psychedelic is everything not just a smile out of a fake drug,, this is just an impression like the fullon sound.
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the point is that anyway, kane wrote it clearly .. its about education, family, friends, mentality, its about each ones character and personality and how good or bad crafted this is
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RK9
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 12:40
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I don't think you can really argue that MDMA is any more or less "fake" than LSD is. If you say that MDMA makes you feel fake emotions, then I will just as easily say that LSD makes you think fake thoughts  Neither of those are true of course.
What I'm mainly appreciative of about MDMA is the empathogen effect... I hold a belief that distrust and lack of empathy are the root of a large majority of humanity's problems, so anything which brings more trust and empathy into the world is good in my book
The downside of course is the other effects... amphetamine-like adrenaline rush, dopamine euphoria, the comedown and then the neurotoxicity and long term chemical imbalance. If there were another empathogen that worked just as well without those effects I'd be very interested! |
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 13:17
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so why to use a substance to produce these while it can be achieved through a way of living and decisions? well not debate about the substances,, i really want to trust people as you say and many times feel disappointed and dont like when someone feel connected when this feeling might end at five hours or so. it has to be straight, i might like to be straight with something i consider really big matter, cause its again a way of living or thinking and acting..and again this relies to human relationships, besides drugs and music,, too many times youve found yourself giving more than take, its disappointing sometimes. Are we strong enough to have that feeling without caring about negative confrontation, to be able not to oppose the negatives but to face and accept them and still have the love in heart, but true love, be in peace and balance?? And is that good for someone really?
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RK9
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 13:39
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aiya, I am having trouble putting what I want to say in words.
I hope I have not annoyed you, I'm never looking to start fights, only to keep minds open |
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 14:46
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no way mate, im not of the persons annoyed just like that, just a daydreamer and i like the conversation
peace
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