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NikC
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Posted : Oct 20, 2005 12:45
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On 2005-10-20 11:26, tsabeat wrote:
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On 2005-10-01 20:41, NikC wrote:
anything from tarantiono is ok to use (audio only).
and most big movie company its 5 years protected.
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HOw come it's legal to use Tarantino samples?
Surely the same rules apply?
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Oct 20, 2005 12:54
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Be aware that there are also two kinds of copyrights that all recorded and released music falls into. One is for the "music", that is the notes, melodies, arrangement and general composition type stuff. The second is the actual sound recording. So if you were borrowing the sequence of notes from a song with your own synth sounds and all, you would need to clear the first. If you are taking a line straight off the CD, you would need to clear both. Also there are no "time limits" (under X seconds is ok). Anything, no matter how short it is, must be cleared to be completely legal.
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Frequencysm
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Posted : Nov 11, 2005 16:29
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Thats correct ... and there is no time limits in years, cous owners had their sons and grandsons and ownership passes to them.
Above post is tottaly correct. If YOU want to play other people music, you got to pay for notes, but if you want to take a whole song, than you must pay for notes and sound.
Anything that can be recognised is ilegal. For example, that whistle from good, bad & ugly, you recognise the song in first second so anything whit that whistle is copyrighted.
There are people who take of the songs, just with diferent notes, but songs still sound pretty same. They made a whole busines out of that 
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knocz
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Posted : Nov 13, 2005 22:37
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So you can copyright a single tone?
If somebody created or invented a sound, than its possible for another person to create the same sound without even knowing he's "breacking the law.."
Plus in trance music alot of artists use the same basslines as in other great classics,or the same effects. there's about 15 general basslines that everybody uses. you just change the pitch or the tone of the music.
And i remember queen sewed vanilla ice for using there bassline from there song "Under pressure", but the bassline is so simple that its qite probable that soner or later somebody's goint to re-invent is accidentally,who might not know that he could be severly punished..
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neuromantik
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Posted : Nov 13, 2005 23:10
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On 2005-11-13 22:37, knocz wrote:
And i remember queen sewed vanilla ice for using there bassline from there song "Under pressure", but the bassline is so simple that its qite probable that soner or later somebody's goint to re-invent is accidentally,who might not know that he could be severly punished..
It's quite a dilema
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Have you listened closely to "under pressure" and "ice ice baby"... It's more than the bassline, it's also the little chime at the end of the 4th bar. Now the coincidence of reinventing the exact same loop is remote at best.
Hip hop has been ripping off rock/pop/classical hits for years, but I believe their labels clear it with the "loop" owners.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if deedrah paid "new model army" for that great classical sample used in "reload" (did NMA sample it themselves?) I doubt it... So sample away, rest assured a trance release will NEVER get the exposure necessary for this to end up in the courts, except perhaps the case of GMS sampling the sequences from Kronos Quartet "Requiem for a Dream" Autumn theme for their use in "Juice". |
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knocz
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 13:30
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if you see the movie "requim for a dream" you will notice that when the mother is tripping is her bed, you can hear GMS - Juice as the soundtrack. I believe that thay GMS had athorization for remixing the song. And the trance scene isnt so underground as it seems.. lots of times you can hear classic trance songs on sports chanels. If you re-create a song,than release it you might have the "luck" for it to be used by others and the bad luck for the original creator to hear it.
I think that if you want to remix a song it's polite to tell the original creator what your doing.. |
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neuromantik
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 14:06
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On 2005-11-14 13:30, knocz wrote:
if you see the movie "requim for a dream" you will notice that when the mother is tripping is her bed, you can hear GMS - Juice as the soundtrack. I believe that thay GMS had athorization for remixing the song. And the trance scene isnt so underground as it seems.. lots of times you can hear classic trance songs on sports chanels.
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Actually no, you're hearing Clint Mansell, interpreted by the Kronos Quartet with the help of Trent Reznor. And I can attest that GMS did NOT get authorization for using that sequence until "Juice" was licensed for the movie soundtrack "Man on Fire", or "Domino", forget which one.
The only trance track I've ever heard of related to sports is "Atmos - Klein Aber Doctor", other than that I've never heard a psy track anywhere else than on the radio and dancefloor.
I think psy trance is a lot more underground than you think. Any scene where artists selling 1500+ units is considered a smashing success is underground. However I can only speak of France and Europe in general. I hear it's a whole other ballpark in israel and japan. |
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knocz
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 14:01
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Well i live in portugal and trance here is quite popular. Its not the beaches of Goa, but the amount of partyes here are great and the number of listeners are humoungous. It's not comercial,but even the athorities are helpfull.
So it's illigal to "steal" songs, but in the trance scene its ok to do it? are the possibilities of getting cought remote? before someone like me could get cought, there are TONS of other who profit by other accomplisments and are world-wide known... |
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Lord Deo
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Posted : Nov 23, 2005 06:33
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ok knocz,
to answer your questions, i will give final bits of information on this matter.
we all know that every big name artist in electronic music scene has sampled stuff from movies, music, anime, featurette, whatever. Prodigy, Fatboy Slim, Chemical Broz, Asian Dub Foundation to name a few. and these are one of the biggest best selling electronic artists outthere. Photek made his big break with Ni Ten Ichi Ryu track where he had a huge amount of samples from the Seven Samurai movie. Even IM before openning their mouths and starting to sing, were also using samples.
So saying DO NOT SAMPLE COPYRIGHTED material kind of sounds very strict. If you've got a sample you can make kickass track out off, i'd say use it. otherwise it will be a shame to miss out on potential hit of the century. but use it wisely, creatively and respectfully. consider that, it is another artists hard work that you're sampling. get in touch with the involved parties, ask for permissions, you basically have nothing to loose. some of the artists might make complete ass out of themselves and deny you the right to use their samples, but some will be cool and will gladly help you out clearing the sample or whatever.
Also consider this when sending out finished work or demo material to record label: if you had used samples in your track(s), make sure record label knows about them, make refferences to the original material on cd cover for instance. this will help you and the record label avoid any future headaches.
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Human
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 03:35
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Well, I guess the most important has been said.
I totally agree with knocz that it's just an understanding that you ask the other musician before making a remix of his/her work.
I made a Trance Remix of the "Tetris" Song, and I had really a lot of difficulties finding the owner of the Copyright. First a company which didn't own the rights wanted to sell them to me.. hehe.. yeah, that really seems exists, so beware.. =). But once I found him it was really easy, he was really cool about it and just gave me a written permission (which is legally required).
So I suggest you just look around for the owner of the Copyright (you may need some patience for that) and then ask. If you use a friendly tone and have a bit of luck, you'll get the permission.
By the way; Swiss law states that 70 years after the composer has died, you are allowed to use his/her melodies (though I don't know whether the right could be passed on to next generations, like to their children and so on)..
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 06:06
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Nice thread!
anyway, the film and music industry gains alot of commercial by this, and will probably only sue you if you get alot of money and fame!
the other part about sequences of music and so on can be more dangerous..
well there are certain norms, depending on culture!
and you can get away with alot, and you can also be unlucky aswell.
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anyway maybe best way is to do like(a)Human does, and be honest and approachiate others work and be sincere... |
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mica
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 08:52
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copyright (c) mechanical rights (p)
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 22:32
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E.U. converts every diffirent law (in every country) on a matter into one unique law for all of its countries. e.g. currency, military lews et.c. This of course will take some time to be 100% completed.
The E.U. law on copyright (music related always) insists that an artist loses rights on any certain work, 70 years since its last copyrighted. (it can be re-copyrighted only by the artist himself or by other, if recomposed, using the artist's written permission.. e.g.if he chooses to sell it. In addition, if the artist is alive in the 69th year since the last copyright, he can re-copyright it gaining another 70year countdown... really funny, but true)
If death of the artist occurs, the family of the artist holds any right until these 70 years are done. (they cannot re-copyright, but of course they can access themselves any use of the track making profit or not)
And finally, the 'magic window'. When 70 years and 1 day have passed whoever is 'fast and furious' can get the certain track as his own... even if it exactly the same; as long as it's re-performed..
so spot some old music tracks, themes or whatever, ready your lawyers and contracts and..... GO GET YOUR FUTURE OLD TRACKS!!!!
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