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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 16:57
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On 2004-10-08 02:18, Spindrift wrote:
They say that you are not even allowed to have your own material on your own website without paying the fees. (about $150-$200 per mnt with up to 500 simultaineous listeners)
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Now that's just sad.
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Spindrift
Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 17:30
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Yes sad, but the royalty organisation also was very clear on that it actually volontary weather you like to join them or not.
So in a way, if you like their services to monitor radioplay and collect money from websites, barbershops etc of course you'll have to pay for them as well somehow.
So they provide their service, and for me it didn't really appeal.
Paying $200 a month to cash in on all the spindrift airplay didn't seem like a good idea.
I think very few labels actually earn money on being part of the royalty organisations as well, so why they would be part of them and write so restrictive licensing beats me.
If you choose not to be part of the royalty organisation, it's technically a bit stupid to reserve rights for public broadcast.
Would the lables really have to answer to every request from a DJ if he can play their music?
Legally if the work is not registered with the royalty organisation, then it don't matter if the venue paid their fees.
If it says on the CD that public performance is not allowed without permission from the copyright owners, it means that if the CD is registered to the royalty organisations then they are the ones to grant license to perform the work, wich is done automatically when you pay their fees.
Otherwise, you have to mail or phone the label and ask permission!!
Thats a lot of CD's on the trance market thats the case for...most of the small labels don't pay the fees.
They are really run by amateurs who don't even have a clue about what they write on the CD. |
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djbim
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 17:47
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hey friends thats bim and i like to leave some words
1.right is that it is not allowed to give anny tracks
free for listening or download when you are not the owner.
2.its right that you have to pay to the Gema/Acum/mcps or other publishing companys when the artist are signed there.
but.
1.normal you have to pay also a lot of money
when you are owner of a onlineshop and you have streams for the tracks like every shop it has.
but this is a big grey area
we see it from our side like this.
1.When you are a dj and you give a mix out where some tracks from us on it we have nothing against it
when the tracks are in the mix!! and not juseful for other people.
2.When the tracks are not unreleased
3.when you sent us a mail and tell you tell us this
about for every label its also promotion
i think in the tranceszene are not much label who says dont do this about when we are young we did the same with audio -tapes ........
so be fair contact the label and you will have no problems
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we are not progressive
we are in trance
www.midijum.de
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 17:51
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100% agree , Bim . I think it is very good promotion for artist and label to play their stuff at parties , only contact labels first . |
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Spindrift
Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 8, 2004 17:55
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Im quite sure the same rules apply in germany and sweden.
If you are registered with the german royalty organisation, give them a call and ask if you can permit a DJ to have mixes online with your permission.
When you are registered, you don't have any say about performance rights, that you have handed over to the organisation.
And what i just was saying was that you DON'T need to pay GEMA, MCPS, STIM or whatever anything.
It's up to you if you think it's worth it to cash in on radioplay.
And if you are not registered you decide if DJ's need to ask you permission to play.
Wouldn't like to be goa Gill and prepare a 48hr set with that system 
And most material is under strict licensing terms, but not all.
So some music you can spread and copy as you like. |
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deejayridoo
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Oct 10, 2004 15:37
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On 2004-10-08 02:18, Spindrift wrote:
So...stay underground....and dont sign up with the royalty organisations 
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exactly spindrift!!!
and underground (anarchist) artist who signs up with a royalty organisation is simply ridiculous.
and those ones not claiming to be underground should leave and do something elese, cause psychedelic culture cannot be mainstream pop and deal with ego and dollars unless it wants to destroy itself.
as spindrift said, those organisations don´t do any favour to our culture as they distribute their incomes proportionally to radioplay, which means that popular artists are treated better than less popular artists -
and this leads to this boring sell out of standardisation processes. no innovation, no experimentation, no change.
do we want this???
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