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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 19:20
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On 2011-08-16 19:19, faxinadu wrote:
jaguar would not have used his tune illegally i don't see the point 
unrelated - doesn't releasing with creative commons or similar cover copyrights?
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Whatever. You got your fixed idea that artists should not be bothered to look out for themselves legally. I would not advise anyone to listen to your advice 
Personally I have made more money from my copyrights than from all sales ever. Be clever.
Another example. What if one of your free tunes are picked up by a radio station (yes some djs on international stations do look at the free sites too and use the music) and played in a program and you did not bother to copyright it? That will make you loose what's called a "first time radio play fee" which in my case for each tunes is something like approx. Euro 600.
They do not have to pay you if you use creative commons rights. LOST MONEY!!!
I have paid rent for those kind of royalties many times   www.beatagency.dk |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 19:24
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On 2011-08-16 19:20, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-16 19:19, faxinadu wrote:
jaguar would not have used his tune illegally i don't see the point
unrelated - doesn't releasing with creative commons or similar cover copyrights?
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Whatever. You got your fixed idea that artists should not be bothered to look out for themselves legally. I would not advise anyone to listen to your advice
Personally I have made more money from my copyrights than from all sales ever. Be clever.
Another example. What if one of your free tunes are picked up by a radio station (yes some djs on international stations do look at the free sites too and use the music) and played in a program and you did not bother to copyright it? That will make you loose what's called a "first time radio play fee" which in my case for each tunes is something like approx. Euro 600.
I have paid rent for those kind of royalties many times
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i used to have a radio show on college radio here playing exclusivly oldschool goa. used to play a ton of your music, you saw any royalties from this station?
when was the last time you got these 600e for a trance song on the radio? we are in 2011, show me.
i would advise artists to make music and not be so hung up on legal issues
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 19:29
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 19:32
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On 2011-08-16 19:29, faxinadu wrote:
god forbid - we also played those nitzo ripoffs of your riffs, and explained about it and played both your tunes and the rips as an homage to you.
go figure huh?
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Is this some sort of trend here on isra when peoples arguments gets weak to start rants and personal bull?
As I said do what you think is best. I'll advice new artists to take their legal rights serious no matter what you think is right or wrong.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 19:34
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On 2011-08-16 19:32, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-16 19:29, faxinadu wrote:
god forbid - we also played those nitzo ripoffs of your riffs, and explained about it and played both your tunes and the rips as an homage to you.
go figure huh?
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Is this some sort of trend here on isra when peoples arguments gets weak to start rants and personal bull?
As I said do what you think is best. I'll advice new artists to take their legal rights serious no matter what you think is right or wrong.
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you are so bitter still about all that stuff that happened to you in the nineties you fail to see all this has made you part of trance lore, shame really.
through all this you don't even get that i like your music and message.
relax you are always so bitter here, noticed that?
done arguing here, each to his own.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 19:45
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On 2011-08-16 19:34, faxinadu wrote:
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On 2011-08-16 19:32, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-16 19:29, faxinadu wrote:
god forbid - we also played those nitzo ripoffs of your riffs, and explained about it and played both your tunes and the rips as an homage to you.
go figure huh?
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Is this some sort of trend here on isra when peoples arguments gets weak to start rants and personal bull?
As I said do what you think is best. I'll advice new artists to take their legal rights serious no matter what you think is right or wrong.
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you are so bitter still about all that stuff that happened to you in the nineties you fail to see all this has made you part of trance lore, shame really.
through all this you don't even get that i like your music and message.
relax you are always so bitter here, noticed that?
done arguing here, each to his own.
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We debate and you become personal and assume a lot of things about my person.
Could you please stick to the topic? Why do you get so hostile and personal? I do not agree with you and advice based on my experience and what I think is right.
I see no excuse for you to behave so rude. www.beatagency.dk |
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Thelandrob
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 23:28
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Come on people!! I created this thread to find some answers, not to make a fight between anyone. 
Stay cool!!
I think you both have a good point in some way.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 23:38
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On 2011-08-16 23:28, Thelandrob wrote:
Come on people!! I created this thread to find some answers, not to make a fight between anyone.
Stay cool!!
I think you both have a good point in some way.
Thanks to all for your replies.
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The only one fighting and being rude here is Fax. I was debating.
I hope you take the wise road and copyright your music.
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psyraal
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Posted : Aug 17, 2011 02:13
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On 2011-08-16 23:38, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-16 23:28, Thelandrob wrote:
Come on people!! I created this thread to find some answers, not to make a fight between anyone.
Stay cool!!
I think you both have a good point in some way.
Thanks to all for your replies.
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The only one fighting and being rude here is Fax. I was debating.
I hope you take the wise road and copyright your music.
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Considering what happened to you back in the day i will be extra careful about my shit.
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mudpeople
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Posted : Aug 19, 2011 21:33
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Personally, I don't really have any concerns about copyrighting my stuff, I kinda feel that if someone tries to claim it as theirs, it means that its good. If someone thinks they'll get recognition or something that way they must think pretty highly of it.
But when I share trakcs I feel are done, I try to share them everywhere I know, including .ru mp3 sites. When I put out an EP last fall I found that it had made its way onto one of those, surprisingly, so I gave teh admin the WAV link and my thanks. I want anyone who might enjoy my music to have the opportunity to do so.
For me the real enjoyment is the journey, the creation, once the track is finished it doesn't really matter to me one way or another what happens to it. I don't think of the effort I put into it as an investment, or work, or requiring compensation, I do it entirely for my own enjoyment.
It seems silly, to me, to basically put a price tag on studio work. No one ever got rich solely selling records, even Metallica makes hardly anything that way. If one wants to make a living with their music one has to play gigs, and LOTS and LOTS of them, for a LONG TIME, and to get lots of gigs, you have to market yourself, and to do that you have to talk to promoters A LOT. Keep at it long enough and you'll get gigs. Or quit.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 19, 2011 21:57
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On 2011-08-19 21:33, mudpeople wrote:
even Metallica makes hardly anything that way.
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Metallica became multi-millionaires on record sales and still make a lot of money on CD sales, copyrights, airplay etc. etc.!
Bottom line is once you've experienced firsthand what it feels like to be screwed over by a music bizz shark you'll be copyrighting your material every single time.
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dreadieg
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Posted : Aug 19, 2011 22:40
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aside from all the back and forth above me, you should really ask yourself: is your music really worth copyrighting?
i mean, my music sucks, and i would never spend more money than i have to on it, but right now, it's just not worth much.
if you're going to spend money on copyrights or whatever, the tunes should be worth copyrighting.
ol BA makes some good tunes that could be used in marketing or whatever and faxi's stuff is not mainstream sounding enough (to my humble ear, but what do i know, modern knight is a lovely album)
so copyright if you care about money. or don't. it's your cash you're putting up.
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mudpeople
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Posted : Aug 19, 2011 23:31
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Well, yes metallica makes money, selling MILLIONS of records over a span of about 30 years. From what I gather, for a trance release to sell 500 copies is our scene's equivalent of going Platinum.
I kinda think, at least in regards to my own work at its current quality level, that one can avoid being screwed over by music biz sharks by freely sharing it with anyone, and making sure that before anyone has a chance to try and make money off your work to make it as easy as possible for anyone who wants it to be able to have it for free. Can't make any money without clientele to sell to, and if they already got it for free, theres no clientele.
I feel the same way dreadieg, I don't feel that my music is really good enough. At this point, Id take anyone trying to pretend to be me as a compliment and a sign Im on the right track.
But, looking back to art class back in school, and seeing how all my artwork ended up (in the garbage) despite praise from teachers and classmates, and how proud of them I felt, before too long the pride would fade along with any concerns for preserving or showcasing, my attention would move to the next project, and for all I care the artworks that I spent all the time on became toilet paper or something. I don't know, I guess the joy for me isn't in the final product but in creating it.
But thats just me.
I dream someday of finding a young mezzo-soprano who needs a producer to make backing music for her to be autotuned over, so I can make money making music...
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Psyloxin604
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Posted : Aug 20, 2011 00:46
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Beat Agency:
" Bottom line is once you've experienced firsthand what it feels like to be screwed over by a music bizz shark you'll be copyrighting your material every single time. "
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I'm wondering what could have happened to you to be so serious about copyrighting everything. I mean, I think copyrighting is important, but why that much?
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 20, 2011 00:54
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he made some big goa hits at the time the scene was rocking ,at that time you could get 5000/10 000 dollars (maybe more?) just to work on album, so some big hits i guess it pay off 
beat agency do you know how much money you lost with all this? maybe it s personal i can understand.. |
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