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DJJISS
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 07:04
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i heard from this olivershantis album passage to the orient ecactly the same punjab song of karunesh, wanna know whose ideas is that song ,is copying going on in world music also
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 11:15
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i don't know what track you're talking about
but if it's a traditional song then it's not copying cause traditional songs don't have any copyrights in the way as f.e. modern day tracks have...
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 14:31
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tottally agree with Outolintu !
... samples from punjab by karunesh, sufism by gaudi, a few tracks from maitreya(asian experience), most of buddha bar,and a lot of other tracks are actually folk songs from rajhastan n other places!
a lot of samples you get to hear in chill tracks.. even entheogenic, shulman(the shahnai in'mushroom therapy' , the flutes in unexpected visitor') et al have picked up samples from indian classical n folk songs. nothing wrong...of what i have heard, these samples are not mended for the likes of the artist! i wont call it copying. i would call it electronic fusion 
What i would call copying, is what bollywood music directors do... they pick up tunes from western rock/pop tracks and put hindi words! 
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 13:22
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...but i think you should ask permission from the artist who plays the version cause
it's his translation of the tradtional song.
i didn't mean it's ok to rip f.e. ravi shankar's playing and put it on your chill track even if the melody would be from a traditional song. if you would chop it up and efx it etc. then i think it would be ok cause your creating something new, something of your own.
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 21:03
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On 2006-01-16 13:22, Outolintu wrote:
then i think it would be ok cause your creating something new, something of your own.
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jan 18, 2006 22:11
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On 2006-01-16 13:22, Outolintu wrote:
...but i think you should ask permission from the artist who plays the version cause
it's his translation of the tradtional song.
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i think you do have a point there mate..
but it might be very difficult to track down the composer of a partiicular track from which a sample has been used. and i have no clue if chill artists actually take permission from the orignal singer/composr. even if they dont it might quite easily go unnoticed.. espeacilly whne it comes to countries like india (very few people here are playing this kind of music)
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if you would chop it up and efx it etc. then i think it would be ok cause your creating something new, something of your own.
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if you're picking up a santoor sample from another cd that has a copyright... even if you chop it up...arent you still using some one else's creation?
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 12:42
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if you're picking up a santoor sample from another cd that has a copyright... even if you chop it up...arent you still using some one else's creation?
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yes, that is correct. but that's where i try
to draw the ethical line when i'm sampling material. if i manipulate the original source
i make it my sound eventually. but it has to be more than a 10% pitch or adding a little bit of delay and if i chop it up then the melody i create has to really differ from the original melody...
but i guess most producers don't think too much about it. this is a small scene and everybody thinks one can get away with it.
if you're talking about the vocal samples that some bigger names in this scene have been using, they are all from a sample cd so if the cd itself isn't ripped/copied
then they have bought the right to use the samples in question.
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le_lotus_604
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Posted : Apr 14, 2006 12:05
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Recycling is good for Gaia
Recycling is good for Music ... ?
seriously ... just a little bit, technology provide more and more way to do it... but this kind of inspiration exists for a long... from african chants to gospel to blues to jazz to rock
sampling is healthy, the mix ...the fusion expands ppl mind
now, for artists whoever they are, where ever they live, making a descent living from their music or art in general, is a big problem...
unfortunately we have different priority... oups can't get to political here |
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