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P_Mac
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Posted : Mar 20, 2005 10:47
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Nice topic mr. Zebra 
From a label pt. of view we have to work with realistic budgets, Its no mistery that sales in fact have dropped substantially so i think for many labels its impossible to keep up with the artists price demands.
In the past we have tried to offer silly money for tracks and soon realized it was not sustainable. so we try to keep it real 
After 8 yrs of dedication to the scene its no mistery that Trance is more for the fun than for the bucks.
Sure there are those artirts who make more commercially oriented music but in the undergroung fun surpasses income by at leat 10 fold.
Just my 2 cents on the subject
 
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XrTC
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Posted : Mar 20, 2005 22:48
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On 2005-03-20 06:49, br0d wrote:
Make music so people can go "holy fucking shit what were you ON when you made that..." That's better than money, and money is easy to make elsewhere.
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i think that sums it up for me. no money in the world should be able to match the feeling you get when you are able to create something that can set people's souls on fire. this is music we are talking about. it's expression. it's like when you are sad for example and you feel like writing a small poem. you wouldn't expect to live out of it, would you? even with gigs etc, the possibillity of visiting different countries, meeting different people and so on, that alone should be enough to pay us. things that make us better persons and give us more than what a "normal job" can give. feelings instead of stress. i know, cos i have a day-time job in order to pay the bills and that's all my day-time job is offering me: money and constant strain. so, i am personally expecting something different from music-making, if you know what i mean......
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Leon Psynesthesia
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Posted : Mar 21, 2005 18:50
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hey people did you ever stop to think where the expression "starving artist" come from?
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UnderTow
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Posted : Mar 21, 2005 19:58
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Leon, obviously this whole thread is proof that people have thought about it. The question is, what can be done about it.
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zebra-n
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Posted : Mar 21, 2005 20:00
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Leon Psynesthesia
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Posted : Mar 21, 2005 20:54
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i wouldnt call him an artist 
well i got a better job, that was my personal solution, i can pay my rent, eat and buy gear when i need it, i would love to make music full time and get paid accordingly but thats a privilege .
i'm happy when i get paid enough to cover what i spent for my set .
one way for musicians to make money is do music/sound for commercials, stuff like that .
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mubali
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Posted : Mar 22, 2005 00:34
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If you look at it strictly from a numerical standpoint, it does seem like the artist gets the shaft. But at the same time, I really couldn't see many of the artists that make what they do currently doing anything else. I started writing music as a way to unwind from a slightly stressful job (accounting for a non-profit organization) that didn't revolve around TV or video games.
I personally had never imagined that anyone would even like any of the music that I had written, let alone people wanting to release my stuff that I had never met before. And for me any financial gratification that I get is "gravy" (U.S. term for a bonus not previously expected)
One of the best things for me is being able to visit places that I could not afford to visit before and share this very intimate part of my soul with people. And the fact that most of the time, I don't have to pay for my plane ticket is great.
If I relied on my music to support my life, I don't know if I would still enjoy writing the music. I would see it as a chore and try to find as many shortcuts as possible. As it currently stands, I work 40 hours a week and that pays for my lifestyle. Writing music pays (in another sense) for my mental health. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. "
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Nik©
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Posted : Mar 22, 2005 11:40
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Ahh poor artists sitting in their uncomfortable chairs, drinking that nasty coffee, beer, joints etc. How dare labels don’t pay them enough for their Godly Music!!!! And shame on those labels who fail to provide all the benefits of superstar life to the artists.
But for real I think artist should consider that the main income would be from gigs … this is just the way this scene is … it’s not regular MTV, SONY type of stuff where u can boost the sales of album by investing in video clips, commercials, etc
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 22, 2005 14:40
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I don't think people realise what it means to lead such a life. I don't think people realise that psy-trance artists that make enough to live on comfortably, have been doing it for YEARS. Also, you'd be surprised to find out that quite a few of the biggest names, were born rich to start with.
If you are a starving artist who refuses to get a day job, you're gonna have to come to terms with reality and get a day job, or start selling drugs, which is off course illegal and will probably get you banned from Isratrance! lol!
...*ahem*...
Now if you want to look into getting more cash out of your studio, you can do work for other people (mix their tunes down, produce their written music, record the music or a vocal for a jiggle...etc.)
You could make other types of music that DO make some money. You don't have to make things you hate, just something else that you are into as well, especially if there are people you know that will release that music.
Another thing to do, is remixes. When you start making a name for your selves, people will contact you to do a remix for their tune for a the AA side of a record...etc.
Register with the PRS and MCPS equivalent of your country. You get £90 everytime your tunes get dropped on national radio stations like BBC Radio 1 and if the 12"/release is hot, it will get dropped again and again for a while.
MCPS will send you money for your tunes getting on compilations as well. So for a given tune you make more and more cash, as more interest and hype build around it.
Bootlegs (not very applicable to psy-trance, but great if you are into breaks/house/d'n'b). Sample a famous acapella and drop a phat beat and bassline with it, or just make it dancefloor friendly. If the crowd reaction is good, find a cheap pressing plant in the Czech Republic, press 2000 copies find a distributor and ca$h in! You'll have some great DJ tools for working the dancefloor as well...not to mention that someone from a major might contact you to tell you initially that they are going to drag your ass in court unless you work for them again (probably for free to start with, but you meet the RIGHT people to work with later on).
Gigs. Play out. It's fun, you meet more people, make new friends, find new girlfriends and it's the most direct way of getting cash. You might get fucked over to start with, but hey...join the club! If you pull it off though, you will get good cash for going places and partying hard 1-3 nights a week. But you might realise that that is a bit too much after a while.
Set up a website with digital downloads of your tunes. Whether we like it or not, mp3s are here to stay. So get with the programm or get left behind.
The best and worst thing about being an artist is that you are your own boss and depending on how serious you are and your personality, you will either put a lot of effort and energy into this thing and make something out of it, or simply roll joints in front of your computer till the end of time.
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