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CONTROL FREAKS IN YOUR MUSIC
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naNou
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 23:52
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PEOPLE PLEASE TAKE A MINUTE + READ THIS...
There are few things that EVERYONE in this scene should know.
Only a few people really control this music.
They are called distibition companys!Aka Wirikouta,Cosmophilia, Ntt e.t.c
The situation is like this..
They buy cd s from the labels
they sell it to the shops twice the price ,they get cash,
and they pay the labels months +months later,
not only that,they really are the ones who decide how much they re gonna sell.
What they re gonna support +promote.We must all understand why cd s cost so expensive..
Does it seem fair , they earn more money than the label,
more money than the artists,
more money than anyone really ?just for resalling them .
Does it seem fair to you, they decide what you can choose from the record shop?
Anyway it is a huge huge issue ,i know as far as im conserned
that countless of times i wanted to buy a cd and couldnt find it anywere so at the end
had to copy it although i wanted to pay my respect to the band..
Something must be done..
I dont wonna see more tallented artists quiting this music
just because they cant survive economically...
more great labels shuting down ..
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 23:59
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bro... check your facts please.
 if you want to be rich, u`ve got to be a bitch! |
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Plan_B
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 15:53
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????????????
Weird, ofcourse there is money involved but this one is too "The Big Brother Is Watching" type of thing to me...
"The Blues is'nt about making you feel better. It's about making others feel worse, and make a few bucks while you're at it." - "Bleeding gums" Murphey. |
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 16:32
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he's correct, yossi.. face it
and its not only about that worldwide distributors - thats also about our local israeli ones
BNE/UNATEX earns not less then me
you wanna argue? i saw the "receipients"
i dont think my disc would cost around 90 NIS to the final customer if i receive 30 NIS off it.. do you think its good, fair, correct system?
I am ready to pay to the label for distribution (also not very happy about this because personally i think that good music doesnt need an advertisement and bad music doesnt worth advertisement)
and i am ready to pay to the music store for actual selling, but why would i pay such a big money (like 20-30% of disc price) to the physical distributors who does absolutely nothing, besides bringing my cd from my label to the local store?
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 16:52
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As I imagine it to myself now "Big Bro" will also take your money to develop and to apply copy protections ...
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. |
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 17:11
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and u where aware to the "little" fact that when the store gets a cd (any kind) they add automaticly 30%?
if you want to be rich, u`ve got to be a bitch! |
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 17:54
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well why don't you sell directly from you homepage.. or the label's homepage.. why doesn't the label start it's own small shop in some building's corner?
"The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven |
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 17:56
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On 2003-01-28 17:11, yossi wrote:
and u where aware to the "little" fact that when the store gets a cd (any kind) they add automaticly 30%?
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I don't know so much about what a distributor/shop take % wise...
BUT... how do you expect a distributor/shop to survive unless they charge customers more that what they bought it for?
How else will they pay their staff, shop/office rent, marketing/advertising etc and still *break-even* or even make a *profit*?
About "control freaks".... are you suggesting that a distributor is forcing shops only to stock their cd's? 
It's true that distributors have "influence", as do "labels", and even established "artists", "promoters" and "dj's".
Remember, everyone in the scene is trying to promote the *style* what they believe in (nothing wrong with that). BUT, in my experience true quality will *always* rise to the top no matter who tries to "influence" the scene...
I think some ppl need to do some objective research before making up stories about "corruption", "extorsion", "big brother" etc ...  |
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Digital Structures
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 18:15
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ok folks .... seems we need some sense in this thread ...
first of all what we deal with is undeground music released by independent labels which means that the music is manufactured in one country and then shipped from there to the whole world and sometimes this means that 2-3 distributors touch the cd before it reaches for ex. Mr Smith on the southern island of New Zealand .... major labels have divisions in each country + their own distribution so instead their product is manufactured on each continent (or country) and hence sold with a much bigger margin which also allows them to do campaigns with lower prices and still do good money ...
as for the "controllers" of the music ... Cosmophilia, Wirikuta, NTT etc etc ... these are hardworking people whatever your opinion (or mine) on their quality.
They put appr. 50% on the price they pay to us the labels when they sell it to the next level but sometimes this number goes down to 10 - 20% when it is a distributor or major chain store that is the customer ....
within distribution it is standard to get paid within 60 - 90 days since that is normally the time it takes for the distributor to get paid from their customers.
as for the control of the sales figures .... they pretty much handle themselves .... if it's a good cd that the label promoted well then the requests for the product will define the sales .... but of course the salespeople will also push what they think is good music but that is no more than normal and human .... not good enough reason to make it sound like "big brother"
out of the stops on the chain from producer to consumer it is without doubt the distributor who has the highest costs and demands the most work so even if they receive the biggest sum of money they also spend the most so .....
.... if all labels would do as they're supposed and pay mechanical royalties then it is the artist who will make most money out of a release.
hmmmm .... wrote a lot ... hope it makes sense
all the best for now
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 18:27
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mike...
im not blaming any 1.
its just ppl forgot to mention the fact that stores also take a big bite out of the cake.
i know how complicated all this is.
but still... personaly, i think that raising the price up in 30% is too much.
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 19:39
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i think that raising the price up in 30% is too much.
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Yossi, do you have any experience running a buisness in the *real world*?
Perhaps you should enlighten everyone *exactly* how much (in %) a cd-shop should charge. Do you know for sure they will survive on your new figure?
Then tell me what other shops selling for example clothes, food, hi-fi, etc *raise* their products by (in %). I am sure you will find a coincedence here ....
Do you realise how *hard* it is to make a profit in the music industry?
Do you have any knowledge about *Supply & Demand*, *Costs & Revenue* or *Market forces*?
If you did, then you will realise that 30% (or whatever) is *NOT* too much.
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 20:01
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yeah man... u r rigth, i dont know shit about nothing.
if you want to be rich, u`ve got to be a bitch! |
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Chaka Laka
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 05:16
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10x , Peter , very informative and interesting u wrote ... mechanical royalties - what this implies , plz anyone ?
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 13:59
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Thanx Peter for bringing this to the right spot.
But this thread is closed.
NaNou, if you want to start a discussion about distribution comanies and their role that would be nice, but do it with respect and a bit more sense.
Your attitude here has nothing to do with the guidelines- please read them again.
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