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vector_0
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Posted : Dec 26, 2012 22:40:52
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hey just wondering if any artists on this board require a contract for every gig, and if so, could you give us an idea of some of the stipulations you make? i am thinking about doing this, but want to get some more ideas of what to include that will better protect myself.
currently, my main interest is in getting paid up front, having my name on the flyer, and playing as close to my scheduled time as possible
does anyone have a line in their contract like "I am playing [your party] at 8pm-9pm on saturday. If the equipment isn't ready or someone else is playing during that time i keep the money and don't play"?
also, do you find there are some promoters that will shy away from you when you ask them to sign a contract? do you negotiate with these people?
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snowdogg
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 00:08
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i would have guessed hire a lawyer to write your contract correctly and within the laws of your country. he would also make it a professional document. your goals seem fair but the sample you wrote is a bit much no? -refuse to play because your on late??:) |
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Kolishin Methud
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 01:12
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Honestly there are many ways to go about the contracts. Best way is to talk it over with your label or crew, and make a contract that fits both you and the labels needs (if they are going to double as your booking agents as well which they sometimes do.)
then yeah getting a lawyer to look it over and/or write up a contract for you would be very legitimate.
Some promoters will really like and respect that. Other more shady ones will run like hell lol
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vector_0
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 01:37
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On 2012-12-27 00:08, snowdogg wrote:
your goals seem fair but the sample you wrote is a bit much no? -refuse to play because your on late??:)
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yeah, i was wondering what others' opinions are on this. i've had experiences in the past being shuffled around stages and timeslots, never really knowing what's going on and having to get the attention of a perpetually busy promoter every hour just to find out when/where i'm playing. it sucks. i have thrown parties before and understand that the trains don't always run on time, but i feel that I have to draw the line somewhere. like, i was thinking of writing some leeway in such as "within 2 hours of agreed timeslot"
my goal here is to minimize the headaches and stress involved with playing out. and weeding out the promoters who think i should be overjoyed just to be playing at their low-level, disorganized event.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 06:35
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I have never been paid in advance, but I always have got paid as soon as I walked of stage. That is until I get fucked over I guess...
I have signed contracts to play and played on verbal agreement. It has always been smooth on either occasions.
Now as far as playing at the exact time or the organizer failing to put you right on the agreed slot, yet demanding to not play and get paid on top? Dream on, for the most part, parties are volatile and especially festivals.
Play a few gigs and you'll get the big picture.
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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 10:26
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* I get paid after the show (you gotta be a big name to be paid upfront, but im going nowhere without travel expences or the plane ticket). This year I got fucked only on one gig and it was a horrible experience, but not the fact that i didnt get the money, but everything else sucked aswell. Had to beg for food, watter, and in the end i spent my own money to buy it + 3 days of the festival it was nonstop Dark  :D:D
*Well you will get a name on the flayer for shure because you are playin there, it just depends how big the font are they going to use 
*Playing to the scheduled time, Im lookin it like this, they are paying you to play, so they decide not you. There are so many factors that come into this. I will give one exaple from my experience. Another artists plane was going at 6am and his set was finishing at 5am, so he was cuttin it to close, i was playing before him so the org asked me to play in his time, will you actually say "Thats not my contrat time, NO" ? you will loose any chance of future gigs like that.
*Keeping the money if you didnt play because you didnt get the requested playtime ? Personally, the day i take money for a show i didnt do will be the last show i do (only option out, if somethin really fucked up happend, like police made a raid (wouldnt be the first time  :) ) and the org just insists to pay you).
*Equipment not ready ? if you are a dj, you gotta be able to connect a cable from a cdj to a mixer and presto equipment is all set up, go to the stage 5min early
If you are a live act, nooobody is going to be hookin up your gear and I wouldnt allow anybody to hook up my gear !
and as a hint for your future gigs, always have money with you just in case if something happens and the org is bad, you can buy yourself food, watter, taxi, or even a plane ride home.
sorry for the longer ramble
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 15:48
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On 2012-12-27 10:26, PsiloCybian wrote:
and as a hint for your future gigs, always have money with you just in case if something happens and the org is bad, you can buy yourself food, watter, taxi, or even a plane ride home.
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yeah this is the golden rule!
once saved me unknown to me party-guy who borrow me money for train and he help me to get out from big forest
*Psilocybian - it strange because this adventure is also happened to me during the 3 day dark-trance event
good idea is to looking to past partys maked by the organiser and to ask artists playing there (more than 1!) how look cooperation with him/his. sometimes it can rescue you
before stepped into shit
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vector_0
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Posted : Dec 27, 2012 22:11
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thanks very much for the replies
what you're all saying kinda confirms my suspicions about how artist-promoter relationships are in the festival and rave scene. i have played parties and festivals, and it seems that us downtempo/ambient producers and dj's are much more neglected and abused than our psytrance brothers. i think what this is all telling me is that I should only shoot for gigs outside of the "psy" scene if i ever want to be more than an afterthought.
thanks again for sharing your experiences!
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Dec 28, 2012 05:05
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Refusing to play because the time-slot has been changed is just douchy. We usually recieve 50% of fee via bank transfer / paypal and the rest before gigs as stated in the contract. However I think I can count on 1 hand how many times the last 50% have been paid out before the actual gig. I don't really care about it and to be honest you can kind of feel when a promoter is being sketchy with payments, then you should claim what is yours before the gig. (Or atleast try to push for it) If the promoter or stage manager gives you different reasons for why the agreed fee has not yet arrived / been exchanged etc etc you should probably reconsider going on stage.
This is a thing you have to decide for yourself. I've never done it because if the reasons given are actually true then I would feel really stupid when the money actually shows up. And let's face it, I really enjoy playing music to people, if the setting is cool I'll usually take the chance. I've even been paid fully in places where I spend a few days in a hotel, got 2 plane tickets, had food and then party got cancelled. It evens out.
What I think is more important is the technical rider, write down all the specifications of your setup and what you need provided by the promoter in order to do your thing. If you don't he might end up renting a 2 channel crap mixer without headphone jack and there you are with a 10 output soundcard shaking your head. Again, don't be a douche here. If you ask for a pioneer djm900 and get a 800 there is really nothing to be upset about, allthough I've heard horror stories of bigger names in other genres refusing to play on anything else than the EXACT modelname stated in the rider.
I guess my point is, if you are a stuck up person and treat promoters bad, they will do the same to you. There are of course exceptions, I've been left alone in the middle of rural Mexico with nothing except a bag of equipment and a corona. Shit happens but you learn along the way
Hope I've contributed.
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Dec 28, 2012 05:08
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Oh and in your contract, state your hospitality requirements.
Roof over your head, clean water, food and someone to pick you up for the party is a good place to start. If you don't write that they might not prepare it for you.
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Dec 28, 2012 11:54
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On 2012-12-28 05:08, A.Rosengren wrote:
Oh and in your contract, state your hospitality requirements.
Roof over your head, clean water, food and someone to pick you up for the party is a good place to start. If you don't write that they might not prepare it for you.
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Anders is right, these might seam as the most basic things. but some promoters just don't give a shit.
Also if you have health issues like for instance if you are allergic to something, it might be a good idea to point that out.... Just so the promoters knows.
That being said, I don't think you really need contracts in the trance scene, even the big promoters don't use them really.
Legally they don't mean a lot anyway, cause your not gonna get a laways and sue someone in another country if something goes wrong, the fee's in the trance scene are too small anyway.
BUT.... i strongly recommend you too put all your conditions in the emails when someone asks for your price.
AND... in depending on the promoter to take 50% advance.
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