Conditional love and lack of tolerance

On 2009-04-13 14:40, Spasm wrote:

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On 2009-04-13 07:07:44, R2D2 wrote: What has stuck me most about recent comments on the forum is the prejudice towards persons who use certain substances. Is this really necessary Are all hippies smelly? Do all hippies sponge of the state? etc etc.

like a wise man once told me, a hippie is someone that looks like Tarzan, walks like Jane, and smells like Cheeta.

On 2009-04-14 02:38, R2D2 wrote:

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On 2009-04-13 19:17, Xolvexs wrote: i think what has happened is that we have moved further and further away from what we feel and move towards how others feel. This is not just in the psytrance scene but in general society itself. What has happened is that we have been embedded with these notions of what "normal behavior" is or should be and as consquence we have supressed our true selves and true feelings and have become this specie that is looking for comfort all the time. Law, society, science, and everything we do or dont do or are not supposed to be doing has made us as what Pink Floyd rightly identified as "comfortably numb". Today we need to be told which senses to use, how to use them, how not use them and above all we have been asked to suspend some of our natural behaviors as we are not comfortable with them. Yes its a fact that today the life expectancy has gone up but correspondingly our physical nature and endurance has shrunk. If we were to compare an average 20 year old from Biblical times to that of modern times we will see this systemic degradation of the physique and an upgradation of the mind and intelligence. The tolerance of physical pain too has shrunk. A man of 20's in the past would be living with the nature and would be able to sense the onset of rain days in advance, today those senses are defunct as we have replaced our senses with technology. what has happened with course of time is that our genes have been halted in the comfort zone...make others around you comfortable and happy thats a good life...but is this really good in its truest sense? we have gone into such a state of denial that we equate everything that causes pain or has the propensity to cause pain as bad or evil and have conditioned ourselves into believing that being nice and courtous and civilized is something to strive for...we tend to look at tribal and tribal way of living as the way of the savage...from the day we are born we are given these sense numbing substances that deter us from acting in a certain way.

I think it is our need to belong to a tribe that creates our narrow-mindedness. I do not agree with your assertion that we look at tribes as savage. I believe we are needy and seek to belong to a tribe and therefore feel the need to define our tribe. Being part of the psy scene could be seen as being part of a tribe. For some it may bring a sense of belonging which in its self brings comfort. What happens when that scene changes? do we feel threatened? Is it this fear that closes our minds?

On 2009-04-14 06:38, rich wrote:
r2d2, for every intolerant comment you read on the forum, there are probably a dozen tolerant people in the scene that are not on the forum.

in the meantime,
be the change you want to see in the scene

On 2009-04-13 10:24, Dogon wrote:

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On 2009-04-13 07:07:44, R2D2 wrote: Or is this just a smoke screen?

you said it!

On 2009-04-14 15:16, Ascension wrote:
hi d2

On 2009-04-14 19:55, R2D2 wrote:
stay on topic

On 2009-04-16 05:21, psylevation wrote:
I find it interesting that people who call themselves open minded are usually the least open minded. They may have been open minded at one point in time, then they found something great and beautiful through that open mindedness. They think that this is finally the answer to the puzzle, that this is how they need to be and then they become close minded and stuck in that state unwilling to change again, closed mind.

They then feel they need to help others to figure out what they figured out and that this is whats best for everyone...if everyone would just see what they see everything would be better.

It's just a big delusion. Everything is changing and nothing is constant except change itself.
I try to just experience it and do what seems best and try to reach things that I've imagined and dreamed my world to be like. Though I'm always open to the possibility that everything I know could be wrong and that everything I want could change and so I think I'll just go with my flow.

(thoughts this thread brought to me, sorry if it doesn't seem on topic)

On 2009-04-16 08:33, aXis wrote:
damn simple ,

ppl on this forum are generaly high, that induces a sense of 'finding ur ownself' kinda feeling , so they talk from their ass on to this forum.

u read it , i read it and also because we are also tryin to find ourselves in some way or the other ( minima intoxica) we think abt it , and we write our own shit .

So basically its just a big pot wit revolving old ideas and abseloutely nothing new. This is a closed genre. and the Enlightened people dont want to change cos of their choice. ( still finding themselves / stayin high )