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Conditional love and lack of tolerance
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R2D2
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 07:07:44
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It has disappointed me to read some of the views here on the forum. Especially those who have a fixed ideology of what the scene is. I have first hand had to endure ridiculous questions from narrow-minded folk at parties as I seem to have failed to adhere to some unwritten dress code.
What has stuck me most about recent comments on the forum is the prejudice towards persons who use certain substances. Is this really necessary Are all hippies smelly? Do all hippies sponge of the state? etc etc.
What I do know is that nothing stays the same. Including the Psy scene. It is in a state of constant change. Maybe the attitude stems from people holding onto past emotions, a past memory and the wish to keep it alive as long as possible. Maybe this is why some people are not as tolerant of newcomers to the scene who might not share the exactly same ideas as themselves.
Is it our job to tell new comers how to behave? Are we saying that you should conform to our ideologies? That if you take coke then you must be this and that?
The thing that I have noticed most on the forum is this term enlightenment. Some people seem to use it as a means of empowerment over others. I have witnessed this many times in counter/underground culture. Of course knowledge has been used as a means of power by many. I am not saying that only this scene is doing it. But specifically how some seem to think that it gives them the right to tell how others how to live their lives. How they are somehow superior and know the ultimate truth.
I have had to stand by and witness individuals use this knowledge along with drugs as a means of control over others. I find this a very difficult situation and are unsure how to help the persons involved.
Is this scene really about love and tolerance? Or is this just a smoke screen? |
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Dogon
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 10:24
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On 2009-04-13 07:07:44, R2D2 wrote:
Or is this just a smoke screen?
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you said it!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 13:07
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Ellon
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 13:53
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Spasm
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 14:40
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On 2009-04-13 07:07:44, R2D2 wrote:
What has stuck me most about recent comments on the forum is the prejudice towards persons who use certain substances. Is this really necessary Are all hippies smelly? Do all hippies sponge of the state? etc etc.
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like a wise man once told me, a hippie is someone that looks like Tarzan, walks like Jane, and smells like Cheeta.
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Ascension
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 15:12
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ben
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 18:24
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smoke screen... u said it all |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 19:17
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i think what has happened is that we have moved further and further away from what we feel and move towards how others feel. This is not just in the psytrance scene but in general society itself. What has happened is that we have been embedded with these notions of what "normal behavior" is or should be and as consquence we have supressed our true selves and true feelings and have become this specie that is looking for comfort all the time. Law, society, science, and everything we do or dont do or are not supposed to be doing has made us as what Pink Floyd rightly identified as "comfortably numb". Today we need to be told which senses to use, how to use them, how not use them and above all we have been asked to suspend some of our natural behaviors as we are not comfortable with them. Yes its a fact that today the life expectancy has gone up but correspondingly our physical nature and endurance has shrunk. If we were to compare an average 20 year old from Biblical times to that of modern times we will see this systemic degradation of the physique and an upgradation of the mind and intelligence.
The tolerance of physical pain too has shrunk. A man of 20's in the past would be living with the nature and would be able to sense the onset of rain days in advance, today those senses are defunct as we have replaced our senses with technology. what has happened with course of time is that our genes have been halted in the comfort zone...make others around you comfortable and happy thats a good life...but is this really good in its truest sense? we have gone into such a state of denial that we equate everything that causes pain or has the propensity to cause pain as bad or evil and have conditioned ourselves into believing that being nice and courtous and civilized is something to strive for...we tend to look at tribal and tribal way of living as the way of the savage...from the day we are born we are given these sense numbing substances that deter us from acting in a certain way.
well this is the area of research that i am currently working on right now and when people tell me its all about making people feel good, relaxed , comfortable and happy, i feel they are faking niceness and humans are more and more becoming political beings. The sheer thought of pain drives people crazy today...the sheer thought of the world coming to end and the global warming coupled with terrorism with a dash of homegrown militancy has convinced us to stay protected at all times.
This is the problem we have overprotected ourselves to such a degree that all we think about is 'am i safe" "is it okay for me to say that or do that?"...we question our actions too much. Love and tolerance makes us comfortable true but beyond that there is nothing, when love is gone, hate is born and tolerance is just another act of supression ...do we really need to supress ourselves that much? Most of the damage in the world today and in the scene is because of this tolerating element. Tolaration has completely altered our gene pool as most of the toleration is not natural, its either through chemical substance, food &drugs or by peer pressure from society. if you are a naturally tolerant person thats good but if you are not naturally tolerant you are considered an outcaste. We fail to understand that if you are brought up in a refugee camp your tolerance to mental pain typically caused by mental activity is low, that is u have a lower consciousness level, correspondingly your physical tolerance is much higher that is your body is able to perform more efficiently but the longetivity is shorter, while if you are brought up in New York or any other big city with all the convience your ability to do mental activity is much higher and analytical powers are more while your ability to endure physical challenge is much lower, you may live longer but the amount of medications that are fed to you make it nearly impossible for you to do any physical activity.
Take a simple example compare the soldiers of the past Greek, Romans,Mongols etc with those of today. The warfare of those times included not just the exchange of violence, but also comprised of reaching the destination by foot or horse back etc and after the making that journey they went into battle, today if we see one part of the battle (the journey) is compeletely dissappeared and infact if a general or troop squandran makes the army undertake such an endeavor he or she could be penalized.
Countries can remotely fight battles. The idea of tolerance and love have been so super imposed on our minds that society will compel us to have those as virtues or face penalty.
Well yes i do agree that it feels good to be loved and protected but i feel we as a human race have gotten so obessed with protection tolerance that the instruments we use to protect ourselves are the same instruments that kill us, not just us but our entire genome.
I think a new movement must start soon which is not about protection and feeling good but about being your trueself-not force fed to obey
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J
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 20:43
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On 2009-04-13 15:12, Ascension wrote:
Or maybe people should stop trying to define the scene for everyone and focus on defining the scene for themselves.
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Praise the Lord!! 
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R2D2
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 02:38
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On 2009-04-13 19:17, Xolvexs wrote:
i think what has happened is that we have moved further and further away from what we feel and move towards how others feel. This is not just in the psytrance scene but in general society itself. What has happened is that we have been embedded with these notions of what "normal behavior" is or should be and as consquence we have supressed our true selves and true feelings and have become this specie that is looking for comfort all the time. Law, society, science, and everything we do or dont do or are not supposed to be doing has made us as what Pink Floyd rightly identified as "comfortably numb". Today we need to be told which senses to use, how to use them, how not use them and above all we have been asked to suspend some of our natural behaviors as we are not comfortable with them. Yes its a fact that today the life expectancy has gone up but correspondingly our physical nature and endurance has shrunk. If we were to compare an average 20 year old from Biblical times to that of modern times we will see this systemic degradation of the physique and an upgradation of the mind and intelligence.
The tolerance of physical pain too has shrunk. A man of 20's in the past would be living with the nature and would be able to sense the onset of rain days in advance, today those senses are defunct as we have replaced our senses with technology. what has happened with course of time is that our genes have been halted in the comfort zone...make others around you comfortable and happy thats a good life...but is this really good in its truest sense? we have gone into such a state of denial that we equate everything that causes pain or has the propensity to cause pain as bad or evil and have conditioned ourselves into believing that being nice and courtous and civilized is something to strive for...we tend to look at tribal and tribal way of living as the way of the savage...from the day we are born we are given these sense numbing substances that deter us from acting in a certain way.
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I think it is our need to belong to a tribe that creates our narrow-mindedness. I do agree with your assertion that we look at tribes as savage. I believe we are needy and seek to belong to a tribe and therefore feel the need to define our tribe. Being part of the psy scene could be seen as being part of a tribe. For some it may bring a sense of belonging which in its self brings comfort. What happens when that scene changes? do we feel threatened? Is it this fear that closes our minds? |
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R2D2
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 02:41
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How can you have love with out tolerance Xolvexs? |
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rich
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 06:38
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r2d2, for every intolerant comment you read on the forum, there are probably a dozen tolerant people in the scene that are not on the forum.
in the meantime,
be the change you want to see in the scene |
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J
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 06:41
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Just like Ghandi said. 
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rich
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 07:04
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yes Ghandi knew there would be intolerance in the psy scene |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 12:28
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there is acceptance and theres tolerance--
love is closer to acceptance
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