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Posted : Jul 11, 2011 23:20:41
how do you do on quick sounds like drums, quickleads or basslines? i think it should be fast so next note do full trigger again but I just don't get the thinking exactly... how fast is fast? 20ms ? 60? 150? (bpm +/- 145)
Guideance pls u_n
I intend to get snappy transients and present body, using the compressor to enhance the natural pulsating character of the elements in question.
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 01:41
value are not really helpfull on comps it could depends the one you use but usually fast for me is less than 50 ms for the release and fast attack is less than 2 or 3 ms.
it depend for what effect you re going cause many setting can sound great and depending the comp , fast attack and release ,medium/long attack and short release, medium attack and release all or none can work depending mood and the comp used .
for bassline imo you want a grabby compressor ,for everyhting that have low end sidechain filter can be a must on some comp imo (thought i love how some comps can remove too much lowend and make it tight)
if you tweak the comp for few minutes and there is no wow effect try a other one , it s not you it s the comp used... and don t compress just for compressing, it may sound great with no compression.
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 02:13
in the case of the bassline and kick cant u remove those unwanted low end usin the RELEASE time ?
i mean .. in a bassline wave... the low sounds are the ones that take more time to close... so usin the release time u could filter those low ends...
well in fact it does happen. i noticed that when u increase the release time the low end will decrease... i just dont know if it s a proper thing to do...
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 02:28
bassline dunno but on kick yes, you can control the balance between the attack and body with the compressor (tought i rarely do it, better getting it right at the source ) the body is where is the low end cause it s a pitched sound going from highs to low. in a bassline i guess there is low end even in the transient but you may not hear it our ear beeing more sensitive to mids and highs frequencies.. could be wrong it s just guess .
with release you can reduce the body of the sound yes. it depends really what you are after but on many sound starting with a long release around 500 ms and make it shorter until it start pumping , and then make it a bit longuer can do the trick ... for some pump make the release shorter until it sound good in sweet spot or start with shortest release and make it longeur until it pump well, in some case i find shortest realese can work but it distort low frequency so not really usable except if it sound good..for old style techno distortion with fast release and lot of compression work great..i wondered how to get that sound for years until i put a comp on the master and use setting that distort .
i find everyhting is linked,the treshold the attack release , the knee and sidechain filter,ratio.. you touch one you may have to adjust some of the other setting in many case.
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 03:56
Well I was really thinking more on fast 16th leads, you know classic fullon leads...
I want them to sound all spikey and crystal clear almost percussive but not ear piercing, I'm using the nord and testing different compressors / settings.
Short release is giving nice results... still experimenting with make up gain values which in many compressors seems add that "little something" to the sound when cranked...
Any advice on tightening sound with compos transient-body wise is welcomed.
Thanks for taking the time guys.
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 15:25
pluck with the adsrs and filter but you know it already ,a lot is on the source tweaking more than compresssion imo.. maybe give a try to transient designers... , imo light compression with fast setting don t tighthen the sound as much as longuer release that make the sound in control and not pump but it might depends your taste and sound wanted.. all can work .. but if you don t find the sound you are after i doubt it s compression you need , you would get the sound without much trouble there is just a few knobs. try a vca emu like ssl bus or api2500 , should work at least ok on leads , bassline and buss and easy to set up..
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 16:47
Thanks PoM, I appreciate it.
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 17:17
i think you look for a comp that have a good grab and add a good drive to the sound,the kind of comp that work for bassline...api should get you there it s close to the real one but a bit less graby and release sound a bit different, it s a bit less musical too, dunno about the wave ssl but maybe too, duende native bus comp is less grabby than the dsp version but still a very good one ..there is probably some better options but these ones are easy to get something decent.. there some hardware comp are a bit better to catch the transient in a natural and musical way and a bit more grabby but it s lot of money just for little improvment when you need not much compression...
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 17:53
is it pluck full on leads like this you are after?listen at the end to the attack,also tight and no harsness and all this can come from eq, removing all the mud can make it tighter, for sweetening the highs you might look at eq too, some sort of tape/tube sim ,saturation(multiband or not) and maybe exciters (aphex to bring back the highs the tape remove can work great but too much of all this can tired a lot the ears, it have to stay very subtle)..i think you re looking not just for one processing, buta few that contribute to the overall sound, the synth tweaking ,the eq and fx and maybe compression,hope it help .
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Posted : Jul 12, 2011 22:26
Release Compressor works like a Synth Decay (env amp) using melodies at 16th
Adjust threshold and attack (100-150 ms) and now tweak the Release.
More Release (compressor) is less Decay (synth amp env), and less Release is more Decay-Sustain, Its not the same effect more better its like a plus env amp.
Very useful technique in Minimal/Techno for example.
Bypass the compressor and Try to level -In- with -Out- signal.
Now u can tweak Release until you find the wanted result without sacrifice dynamics.
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Posted : Jul 14, 2011 22:23
Thanks guys, it has been helpful.
How much gain reduction do you usually allow on individual channels and what about group channels?
I try to do not as much comp, just before it appears distinguishable, to add character sometimes tho I doubt if I can take it further or is it already too cooked...
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Posted : Jul 15, 2011 13:03
really safe settings i would say the gain reduction metter just moving a little and maybe to 2 or 3 db on loud passage but it depends the compressor used the sounds and what you try to archieve ... better not compress much if you re not sure,specialy on buss...you can still compress on top later it s comon to use a little compression in serie and not get all the compression from one compressor .
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Posted : Jul 15, 2011 13:39
^^ forgot to mention it s some safe setting for buss...but there is no basic formula,reach for a compressor when you know why you gonna use it for ,it will tell you the settings to use by itself to archieve what you are after when you know your tools better ! (or get a pair of distressor it will sound good on everything on almost all settings lol)
it will sound good on everything on almost all settings lol)