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PsyJar
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 04:40
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Hi there...
I would like to know your opinion about this piece of thought...
Considering I'm having a resonable headroom on my final mix, let's say that my Master channel meters have it's peak over -5/-6db, what would you think it's better to do, if I want to add a final compressor in the hole mix? To normalize the track after or before compression?
My point is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, if we use compression after normalising we won't have so much 'room' to pull up all the track together. If we abuse the threshold the limiter will act very quicly and distortion will appear.
So... How do u use to do it? 
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 05:51
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I would raise volume for every channel to come closer to 0 db, and a limiter on the master channel
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 12:25
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Compress then normalize
normalize is taking peak point of whole track and set it on 0 db
it make only 1 (highest) peak to be at 0 db by lowing volume....
when u compress 1st then those peaks r no more exist
and all peaks r leveled os u compressed it
then there is no peaks
then u can skip normalize and only make higher volume till u hit 0 db
boom
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br0d
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 17:32
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Normalization is a hack. It's 1990s technology. I don't know why so many people still use it. All it does is change the gain according to the highest peak. But if the gain is low enough that you are normalizing, then you are losing bit resolution which you don't really need to be losing. And if you use a normalizer in RMS mode, it's going to sound horrid, because they shove the peaks right over 0db.
Gainstage the mix right first, then compress, preferably with a phase adaptive mastering compressor, then run a brick wall limiter like L1, L2, or Elephant to clip a few peaks and raise the overall loudness.
All of this assumes of course that you are mastering your own material. If not, skip the compressor and the limiter. |
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 21:48
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preferably with a phase adaptive mastering compressor |
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Could u explain better this part??? 
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Mike A
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 02:11
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Use a maximizer
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montezuma
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 02:59
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use c4 and L2 and after make with psp mix pressor
its killer
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br0d
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 04:06
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br0d
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 04:09
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On 2004-06-23 02:59, montezuma wrote:
use c4 and L2 and after make with psp mix pressor
its killer
booooooooom
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My mastering chain looks like: Waves REQ2 EQ HPF'd ~40Hz into light Adaptive LinMB compression into L2. If anything I write requires more than these, it's time to fix the mix. |
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Input
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 09:02
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Normalizing. . .
While being the most common solution, it is not a preferable one- L1(Waves UltraMaximizer) for example is perfect for bringing up the final level in a way that usually produces much better results than normalizing.
If you still not satisfied with the overall volume, and you decide to push the volume up some more. Using the normalize function won’t do anything as you already used the maximum possible dynamic range,
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 04:56
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normalize first offcourse
if u dont have pick what will u compress? (anyway master compression is not too hard.. so if your trash is -2 or -3 if u dont get pick at 0db or -1 it actually wont do nothing..
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PsyJar
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Posted : Jun 27, 2004 07:23
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On 2004-06-22 05:51, EYB wrote:
I would raise volume for every channel to come closer to 0 db, and a limiter on the master channel
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Hi, ...won't I loose my 'headroom'? therefor turning more difficult the use of a final compressor? (having to act softly, so it doesn't distort).
Meanwile, ...thanks for the tips, folkes!
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Lithium
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Posted : Jun 27, 2004 15:19
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i think you should first compress, use a maximyzer L1 or other dynamics etc..., export to wav and then normalize each wav segment to 0db.
when exporting the final mix with all the tracks already converted to wav and normalized, i have my doubts about using any compressor or maximyzer.
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jun 27, 2004 15:49
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i think it kindof depends on the material.,
if the signal is low in level then you want to normalise (or a least raise the level) so the compressor will work beter,., i think most work well in the -30db~0db or so.,., but there are of course exceptions.,
if you've go enough level then you can use just the compressor.,
usually these have post-compression-gain-stages., you can use this to get the signal a 0db. ., so no normalisation nessesary.,
greets.,
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 28, 2004 14:13
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i guess u dont follow what compressor do...
it compress your peak. your peak is -5.
if u dont normalize before u dont get all the compression u want cause your peak is not 0 db.
its hardly recommended to tresh your compressor mroe the -3..
after normalize then compress then the volume is less then -1 (or u set compressor wrong) then normalize again.
then use L1.
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