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Compressing bassline with kick in logic....
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yumade40
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Posted : Oct 3, 2004 11:41
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hey guys,,,,,hope life is treating you all sweet.....
i have a question......how do you compress bass with kick in logic......what are the advantages compared to compresseach one individuallyy/???please if requires using of bus or auxiliary expolain analytically as i dont use those functions that much.....
peace,
mike
p.s. anyone could explain how you perform ducking with bass and kick?? |
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Trip-
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Posted : Oct 3, 2004 16:08
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compressing bass and kick together ? I wouldn't go for that. rms and peak levels are differnt from bass to kick.
it requires both sounds to be active all the time.
better compress each individually.
you can apply differnt things on both too - anyway it's all called grouping. you group many channels sending them all to a bus.
if you want to apply send effects, send that bus to the aux. - and don't forget to set the bus output to none.
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Triton
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 06:47
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sidechain is the term youre looking for so here we go:
1.- load the kick as audio track (track 1)
2.-load logic's compressor in the bass channel
3.-On top of the compressor's window there is an option which says "side chain", hold your click until the track menu appears and select the channel where you inserted your kick ( track 1)
4.- tweak the compression parameters (you will see that the compressor's gain reduction meter is pumpin' when a kick starts)
voila!
enjoy
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Trip-
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Posted : Oct 4, 2004 06:54
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and if to sidechaining in logic:
You do not compress the kick-
only the bassline is compressed.
Psyclon, usually a kick would come from the exs - so audio channel is out of the question here.
Here's how my setup goes:
on your kick inst.channel, set a send to Bus1 at 0.0 value - and set it on Pre fader. (rightclick and choose)
Set Bus1 to No Output.
I would also set Bus1 to MONO.
Now all you need to do is put the compressor wherever you want - this time it's the bassline - and set sidechain to bus1.
cheers.
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Triton
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 02:28
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On 2004-10-04 06:54, Trip- wrote:
Psyclon, usually a kick would come from the exs - so audio channel is out of the question here.
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why to open an audioinstrument/vsti and use more cpu resources when you can do exactly the same with an audio track? (assuming you have your kick as audio file of course)
prefaders?
bus' values?
bus mono?
i mean your way is as valid as mine, very usefull for other process but cmon! make your life ez man
hugs from mexico
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yumade40
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 08:42
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Thanx alot guys........your help isgreat.....i use exs24 for kick so i ll go that way.........
peace to eveybody,,,,
mike |
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Trip-
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 11:15
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psyclon 
what's more comfortable than having 10 libraries in EXS of various kicks?
Besides, midi is much more manipulative: velocity... length and also overlapping.
And it's all set into autoload once - so you never do it again.
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Kaz
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Posted : Oct 5, 2004 12:07
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Psyclon - your system of working is great unless you want to change the volume of a kick, work with a different sample for a while, or work with polyphony, stuff like that. And Logic's sampler uses so little CPU power that you really don't need to worry about it - a simple EQ is more CPU intensive than EXS24 (well, in LAP 6 and up the EQs are optimized for 64bit macs so this is not true on that platform).
Trip- is talking about a way more flexible way of work here. In this way, Bus 1 becomes a 'sidechain trigger' channel (where you can do loads of cool things, like EQ out the bass and set sidechain compressors to work according to the 'click' of the kick and release times, all this without changing the kick at all - stuff like that).
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Analog Xperience
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Posted : Oct 6, 2004 00:57
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hey babba i compress them together .. off course that each one make is difference but ... normaly kick need to be grouped into the bass .. so ..
compress them in one bus ... and give a EQ to them
then in each audio inst .. EQ the most perfect sound u can .. then with the compressor and the EQ(its bether to be one 31 bands EQ to make th bether EQ)
ad u will see the diference .. ive been making this in my new tracks .. and for my case i can asuse u that .. they are perfectly combined with a full power ... even to dark stuff or more grooviest morning stuff ... but attention .. for some track somethimes is bether to have separated compreesor EQ .. =
so try it ehhe |
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PRAECOX
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Posted : Oct 6, 2004 02:37
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all is nice when u use the logic's pluggins to compress the kick/bassline...whatever (personally i think the logic's compresor sux for this but it's a matter of taste)
the serious problem starts when u use the third party plugins like waves, psp, sonalksis etc on the logic BUSES.
be aware that logic DOESN'T compensate the plugin's latency on the BUSES and INDIVIDUAL INSTRUMENT'S OUTPUTS. sometimes it can be even 250 samples of the LATENCY or even more!
of course there is a trick to solve this crappy bug...but it's not so easy....
anyway, all logic plugins working fine = no latency on the BUSES and OUTPUTS.
...eeee...and it won't be solved in the long awaited logic 7 version:) hihihiih
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PRAECOX
Bigwigs
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Posted : Oct 6, 2004 02:42
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btw, i never compress the kick and bass together.
it's better to control each thing separately especially when u have a serious mastering plans...
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