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PoM
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 18:28
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insterting a multiband on a good mix may make more harms than good cause of the crossovers (bassically it s like inserting hp/lp filters at each band that create phase shift ) ,i doubt they use that chain for all tunes. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 18:48
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 19:32
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On 2013-02-28 18:28, PoM wrote:
insterting a multiband on a good mix may make more harms than good cause of the crossovers (bassically it s like inserting hp/lp filters at each band that create phase shift ) ,i doubt they use that chain for all tunes.
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It is needed when mastering other people's tracks where the mistakes are not even on certain frequency bands.
http://soundcloud.com/martianarts |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 20:06
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Geom3
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 22:24
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On 2013-02-28 18:28, PoM wrote:
insterting a multiband on a good mix may make more harms than good cause of the crossovers (bassically it s like inserting hp/lp filters at each band that create phase shift ) ,i doubt they use that chain for all tunes.
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i like to use them on individual element tracks sumtimes like maybe a kick. The Waves L3 Multi has a nice vocoderic punchy sound its the bands that can have a nice impact rubber punch feel - i rekon its better than quadrafuzz band splitters - so can be utilized in other fashions - eq out any change of phase rez shifts |
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 01:40
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On master track while making the track i use.. SSL eq on -12.
SSL comp threshold fully open.. attack 1.. relase 1 and gain accordingly.
then i use eq to cut low and high.. low cut around 27Hz and highcut at 20khz
then stereo imager from izotop ozone
after that i use G-snoic twisthead (analogue color preset) .. then oxford limiter.
Rms I try to get it around -10
and check my phase on paz analyser.
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 03:08
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 04:15
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check phase? why dont u roll everything off in the side channel oN a M/S eq at safe frequency, youll never have to check again ;-)
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 07:43
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 18:13
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On 2013-03-01 04:15, Gom3 wrote:
check phase? why dont u roll everything off in the side channel oN a M/S eq at safe frequency, youll never have to check again ;-)
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sorry did not really understand what u mean.. M/S on ozone?
Can u explain please. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 21:45
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when i say never have to check again , ofcourse u will but doin that gives u greater control over the phase correlation, leaves more room to widen stuff up 2
https://www.dropbox.com/home/msc
3 examples in there, doent matter what eq u use to do it aslong as it supports M/S aswell, can go further into sound design
notice the channel on the Pro Q is set to M/S function - just a fancy word for mono and stereo information. Mids would of coarse be its center and the sides, stereo information but without the center (Mono)
you can do fancy things on ya basslines with these tools..great for sound design not just as precautions , you can take shit further and really widen shit up and it stays in the Greeeen at all times..
you can do it on ozone if u wish - i dont like ozones eq tho, good imager tho... |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 03:17
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 03:40
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some stereo imager just boost side but in mono surpise the sound is so quiet. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 05:17
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yeh understandably in the same way over doing anything will do more harm than good, you could say that with just about everything.. but im talkin about sound design and using tricks with it - not mastering.. like the bx Dynamic Equalizer
http://www.brainworx-music.de/en/plugins/bx_dyneq_v2
brilliant for sound design i think its the sense of space , tools use them how u wana use them - say if ive got a sample of a break beat loop and got stereo verb over it well then plonk this bad boy on it and let the side channel dynamically do the talking while on the mids you could have it shifting dynamically creates interesting spaces....i have loads of fun wiv it
dont think your getting what im saying, i red abit of it but thats beyond what i mean, as a mixing tool its pritty sweet..
OOOD would agree on this as it was him that taught me wen i ask the question about M/S bak in 2008 -(profile was jizy)..
he sed u can really start to widen stuff up nicely and correctly utilizing it this way..not necessarily with this plugin, OOOD used the waves S1 with M/S matrix
- he taught me some nifty shit with that chain back then, use on FX sends etc add the extra depth on basslines if u want etc etc youll get fuk all anti phase - so alien bug dont no what u on about .... all i knew was this chain Waves M/S encoder -> Stereo EQ -> Waves M/S encoder and it worked wonders - that eq plugin above will do that without the annoyance of routing imputs encoding and decoding...hoooraayyyy
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 05:58
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well i wouldn't go as far as saying he taught, but he certainly made it crystal clear to me and he was only one i knew of at the time that was ultilizin its potential on a channel , so i apologies for not explaining it better than he can...OOOD where ya m8
so get ya synths out make a nice fx rack and inbetween that plonk your M/S encoders and decoders in at the start and finish decode back to L/R or use a fancy plugin (above) and see what fun you can have trust me. - this is veering off topic into the thread of how to achieve fat sound.. but hey ho it all coincides to the same result ehhhhhh...
this doesnt have to be done god no..its just another avenue thats all to explore further into the sound "field" and to see what ya come up wiv as an end result, nice wide trippy 4dimentional shit hopfully instead of over-compressed narrow imaged mono sounding mixes that ya get sum of the time...
peace. |
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