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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 12:55
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On 2011-01-15 03:35, Upavas wrote:
As it stands I also go with DH rule not to clip. That said, I once had to do a pop song mix in a studio and ran the bass from the mixer into a tube compressor then clipped the signal in the compressor, which resulted in a really nice and warm, fuzzy bass.
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Yet again, there is a huge difference between clipping the signal in a triode and clipping an ADC/DCA, clipping the signal inside your DAW, inputs of your plug ins.
Most people buy equipment with valve input stages because they intend to drive them well in the reds.
Peace out.
 
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 15:52
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On 2011-01-13 01:56, PoM wrote:
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On 2011-01-12 23:52, Shiranui wrote:
Do not concern yourself with the level of your tracks, the mastering engineer will take care of that. Just give them lots of headroom to work with and be sure to export in 24 bit.
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i never undertand that lot of headroom for mastering ,they have faders it if they need headroom ,it won t compromise much the sound at all.
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Of course you are right, they have faders.... and 24 bit is a fixed scale version of 32 bit, if you export to 32 bit you have the same dymanic range of 24 bit plus the "magic" of the ramaining 8 bits, the remaining 8 bits let's you.... forget volume levels with over 1500 dB of dynamic -> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan08/articles/qa0108_3.htm
In the digital world if you export at about -6 dB at 24 bit you loose 1 bit, 23 bits are used.
In the digital world if you export at about -12 dB at 24 bit you loose 2 bits, 22 bits are used.
In the digital world if you export at about -6 dB at 32 bit you loose 0 bits, 24 bits are used.
In the digital world if you export at about -12 dB at 32 bit you loose 0 bits, 24 bits are used.
In the digital world if you export at about -96 dB at 32 bit you loose 0 bits, 24 bits are used.
In the digital world if you export at about +96 dB at 32 bit you loose 0 bits, 24 bits are used, no distortion, no clip.
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On 2011-01-14 19:19, Freeflow wrote:
Oh and i read that both Colin and Spindrift said that with 32bit floating point you can clip without distortion, hmm i really dont understand that concept, something about more headroom, but how can this be? meters tell one thing but the recorded file avoids distortion. It´s too much outside the box hehe.
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If you export at 32 bit at +192 dB (example) you can open your export in an audio editor (audition, soundforge....) and lower the volume by 192 dB, the result is without distortion/clip, it's like lowering the master fader of your daw.
Try this:
open a sound in audition -> convert to 32 bit and raise the volume by 48 dB, if you play it will clip/distort, lower the voume by 48 dB, the sound came back to its starting volume without clip/distortion, it's unmodified.
Now try to do the same with 16 bit:
open the same sound in audition -> convert to 16 bit and raise the volume by 48 dB, if you play it will clip/distort, lower the voume by 48 dB, the sound is changed/distorced/modified. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 15:55
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one reason Dh is again cliping is cause as soon as you clip the master in logic the sound is pure crap !
( maybe not on all sources).
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Oni Katsu
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 16:32
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>add clip distortion on master output
>make it sound natural xD
APriest: that sounded awfully akward, is that an actual way to fix that problem? xD
there are very many good replies in here! i have to thank you guys! time tro try them out
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 16:38
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Oni Katsu
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 16:49
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On 2011-01-15 16:38, disco hooligans wrote:
The distortion you're hearing is not the DAW clipping, its the DAC.
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And by DAC you mean?
that would be a whole new word to me
x)
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I said I like it dirty, not muddy. |
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APriest
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 16:54
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On 2011-01-15 16:32, Oni Katsu wrote:
APriest: that sounded awfully akward, is that an actual way to fix that problem? xD
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No, it's only theory.
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On 2011-01-15 16:38, disco hooligans wrote:
The distortion you're hearing is not the DAW clipping, its the DAC.
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Yes, the DAC has a fixed dynamic range, not floating point, the DAC is like a 24 bit integer file. |
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 17:18
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On 2011-01-15 16:49, Oni Katsu wrote:
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On 2011-01-15 16:38, disco hooligans wrote:
The distortion you're hearing is not the DAW clipping, its the DAC.
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And by DAC you mean?
that would be a whole new word to me
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DAC = Digital to Analog Converter
ADC = Analog to Digital Converter
Peace out.
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 22:40
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On 2011-01-15 12:55, disco hooligans wrote:
Yet again, there is a huge difference between clipping the signal in a triode and clipping an ADC/DCA, clipping the signal inside your DAW, inputs of your plug ins.
Most people buy equipment with valve input stages because they intend to drive them well in the reds.
Peace out.
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This is very true!
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 22:56
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digital hard cliping as its use too , it can be usefull sometimes to get a bit more loudness wihtout loosing punch it can even enhance the sound on some source (more the transient heavy stuff imo ).
on some materials short clip of just a few samples are very transparent ,in some situation it can be usefull.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 23:40
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about the topic it depends the material but in my experience when i use cliping for mastering it s often in the last step before dithering ,cliping converters or digital cliping can sound bad with futur processing, but it really depends the situation.. |
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