Clipping after export

On 2011-01-12 20:14, Trevon wrote:
sometimes adding an EQ, just to cut bellow 30hz and above 17khz.. makes the track peaks to clip
I noticed that on soundforge. it happened with the inbluit EQ and kjaerhus golden eq..
why that happens? is it something related to phase?

On 2011-01-12 17:43, aciduss wrote:

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if you want to sound like the pro releases you have to compress every singel channel

On 2011-01-12 23:52, Shiranui wrote:
Do not concern yourself with the level of your tracks, the mastering engineer will take care of that. Just give them lots of headroom to work with and be sure to export in 24 bit.

On 2011-01-13 00:34, Upavas wrote:

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On 2011-01-12 17:43, aciduss wrote: Quote: if you want to sound like the pro releases you have to compress every singel channel

Absolutely untrue!
If you want to sound like a pro, my advice is to compress only where it is really needed. Leave the mix getting loud enough to the mastering guy... yes, some careful and light kb compression is needed, but every channel, whoa, too much compression means no dynamic range, no depth, no nice feeling in the gut.

On 2011-01-13 01:56, PoM wrote:
i never undertand that lot of headroom for mastering ,they have faders it if they need headroom ,it won t compromise much the sound at all.

I dont think you get my point, and i really never said anything about over-compressing, and listening and looking at todays psytrance music you should really think twice =) Its over-compressed too the max most of the time.. squeezed the bits out

but all do as they please, all i am trying to say is that compressing can yield some very nice results concerning clarity and of course its alla about what you are after..

On 2011-01-12 16:24, Freeflow wrote:

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On 2011-01-12 14:59, Elad wrote: Quote: On 2011-01-12 12:11, Freeflow wrote: Btw most mastered tracks are clipping nowdays.. you meen distorted.. 16bit (audio cd) cannot take clip , data just going blank and it will show 0 db (squared its true) i remember ido domestic said here once he thinks its the best limiter

hey Elad, yeah well maybe with clipping we are all assuming that red means distortion. If to trust the meters going red is being close to the limit, but real distortion happens when you exceed this by some dB´s
Like on Vu meter you got 0 then going red up to 3dB more, i really dont know if this is the same in the digital world, but you can really get clipping indication without distortion, isnt it so? But of course depends on the signal.

On 2011-01-12 16:24, Freeflow wrote:
And yeah i heard some people using Idos way, but also to record the signal very hot almost at red and come up with a much clearer signal, but this clarity what has it to do with, some kind of saturation that happens? cause here we are talking about the phenomenon of distortion and saturation and what it does to a signal, adding more harmonics? making the sound, sound more fuller...

On 2011-01-14 11:39, Upavas wrote:

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I dont think you get my point, and i really never said anything about over-compressing, and listening and looking at todays psytrance music you should really think twice =) Its over-compressed too the max most of the time.. squeezed the bits out but all do as they please, all i am trying to say is that compressing can yield some very nice results concerning clarity and of course its alla about what you are after..

You mentioned that every track in a mix needs to be compressed, that's a little much don't you think?

For me clarity comes more from what sounds I use to begin with, how clear each sound is. And how do they resonate with other sounds in the mix?, how do they sit together, does one cancel the other out? Is one frequency too loud/obnoxious in a mix? When it comes to clarity I tend to use eq.

On 2011-01-14 12:16, disco hooligans wrote:

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On 2011-01-12 16:24, Freeflow wrote: Quote: On 2011-01-12 14:59, Elad wrote: Quote: On 2011-01-12 12:11, Freeflow wrote: Btw most mastered tracks are clipping nowdays.. you meen distorted.. 16bit (audio cd) cannot take clip , data just going blank and it will show 0 db (squared its true) i remember ido domestic said here once he thinks its the best limiter hey Elad, yeah well maybe with clipping we are all assuming that red means distortion. If to trust the meters going red is being close to the limit, but real distortion happens when you exceed this by some dB´s Like on Vu meter you got 0 then going red up to 3dB more, i really dont know if this is the same in the digital world, but you can really get clipping indication without distortion, isnt it so? But of course depends on the signal.

Any kind of signal that will go over 0dBDFS, will clip, and there is nothing warm, or harmonically pleasing about this sort of clipping.

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On 2011-01-12 16:24, Freeflow wrote: And yeah i heard some people using Idos way, but also to record the signal very hot almost at red and come up with a much clearer signal, but this clarity what has it to do with, some kind of saturation that happens? cause here we are talking about the phenomenon of distortion and saturation and what it does to a signal, adding more harmonics? making the sound, sound more fuller...

Provided you are recording internally (bouncing soft synth parts), there will be no saturation or any adding of harmonics, something that does take place when you record sources through a pre-amp, for exaple a valve pre that will add pleasant (second order) harmonics, more so as you up the input gain and drive the valve stages, harder.
Your post seems a bit misleading as you guys haven't explained whether we are talking about recording outboard trough a pre-amp, or simply recording soft synths internally...where over driving the DAC's input and going over 0dBDFS will sound completely different than driving a nice tube pre a couple of dB past 0dB on its VU meter.

Obviously recording something in hot means better signal to noise ratio, what I am not certain of though, is whether, recording as close to 0dBDFS (yet not clipping), yields the highest resolution of the signal, meaning that, since faders are logarithmic, will the resolution, bit-wise, be higher close to 0dBDFS?

Peace out.

On 2011-01-14 17:29, Freeflow wrote:

yeah i was speaking of soft synths and stuff internally,

On 2011-01-14 19:19, Freeflow wrote:
disco hooligans - I must try it! Both internally and externally to see and hear what happens. I read in the article below that "occasional short "burst" from 0 to +3 VU would probably not cause distortion"

But as we work in the digital domain i guess its different or are the layout the same, that there is headroom above -0dBfs? i mean sometimes you can get red on the meters (talking internally) with out distortions, i.e short bursts, spikes.. but as this hinder the overall loudness its not a good thing, so its better to compress these peaks to be able to achieve more loudness? Also there are digital meters constructed as analog which shows these +3dB headroom, i wonder if mixing with such meter would provide different results, but i guess that +3dB would be -0dBfs

http://www.digido.com/level-practices-part-2-includes-the-k-system.html

Oh and i read that both Colin and Spindrift said that with 32bit floating point you can clip without distortion, hmm i really dont understand that concept, something about more headroom, but how can this be? meters tell one thing but the recorded file avoids distortion. It´s too much outside the box hehe.