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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 17:47:05
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I think that is SUPER GREAT to see so many happy beautiful children at trance gatherings around the states....that being said here's where it gets messed up:
IF YOU ARE A PARENT OF A CHILD AT A TRANCE FESTIVAL, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHILD IS TAKEN CARE OF THE ENTIRE TIME. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU ZIP TYE HIM OR HER UP IN A TENT WHEN IT'S NIGHT TIME AND YOU WANT TO GO GET BLASTED WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
PLEASE be responsible for you children. I have 2 kids and would be absolutely devastated to come back to my tent and find them missing because they are freaking out in a weird place with strange people trying to find their mommy or daddy.
SECONDLY. IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR CHILD YOU WILL NOT BRING HIM/HER TO THE MIDDLE OF THE DAMN DANCEFLOOR WITHOUT HEARING PROTECTION. JUST FAIR WARNING THAT I WILL TOTALLY RIP WHOEVER A NEW ASSHOLE WHO HAS THEIR LITTLE CHILD ON A DANGEROUS EAR DAMAGING DANCEFLOOR WITH NO PROTECTION.
USE YOUR BRAINS PARENTS, When children are taken to parties it is no longer about YOUR experience. PERIOD.
/rant.
sorry jeto for the caps, but this is super important and i've been observing some TERRIBLE parenting at parties lately.
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 18:26
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Agree 100%
Well said my friend.
As an expecting father I have been going though a lot of these same feelings lately, I love to see kids out during the day bob'in a smile'in with the rest of us it really brings back that deep tribal element for me - But on the flip side, If I was to see a child out in the madness of the middle of the night on the dance floor or screaming from a tent with no one there comforting them it could seriously alter my experience at the show. I have not seen a whole lot of this myself but I know how people can be and don't put it past some parents.
We need safety for all and x10 extra for the little ones if you want them to be able to enjoy this culture as you do when they get older.
I applaud you for your concern Cinder.
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emilybobemily
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 18:31
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I really do wonder about little kids at trance parties at night. do the parents go to sleep in the tent with them and miss the rest of the party or do the kids go to bed in the tent by themselves? what happens if they wake up? how young is too young for a trance party?
to be honest, I'm on the fence about children at trance parties at all. During the day, possibly yes. But at night... I don't know. I feel like they need to go home. Things get too crazy! |
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 18:48
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We have taken Lily to a gil experience and Casey and I took shifts. Casey and I had lily up to see Arianne play and to see the ritual and play with all of her atlien brothers and sisters while it was still light out. Once the sun went down we took her back to camp and Casey went to the battlefield. Around 4am (armageddon time for daddy!!) casey came to the tent and woke me up and she then laid down with lily until she woke up. Then we were all united as one on the dancefloor (or far off to the left since we didn't have proper ear protection for our Lily at the time) and had a blast family style.
Great experience. It is a different experience for us as trancers / parents with a child in attendance but it's a very positive experience!
Lily had a blast.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 19:25
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Well, it's just another one of life's compromises: you gain something - you give something up. I would guess it's fairly uncommon for both parents to have exact same tastes in music, so taking shifts during the night sounds like a reasonable idea. Of course, it deprives you from dancing with your spouse - but that's not the only sacrifice you had to make when you decided to have children, right? |
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emilybobemily
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 20:38
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On 2010-06-18 18:48, cinderVOMIT wrote:
We have taken Lily to a gil experience and Casey and I took shifts. Casey and I had lily up to see Arianne play and to see the ritual and play with all of her atlien brothers and sisters while it was still light out. Once the sun went down we took her back to camp and Casey went to the battlefield. Around 4am (armageddon time for daddy!!) casey came to the tent and woke me up and she then laid down with lily until she woke up. Then we were all united as one on the dancefloor (or far off to the left since we didn't have proper ear protection for our Lily at the time) and had a blast family style.
Great experience. It is a different experience for us as trancers / parents with a child in attendance but it's a very positive experience!
Lily had a blast.
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sometimes I forget that people aren't always at psy festivals by themselves like me. lol the shifts thing makes sense. |
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 21:23
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good thread.
Wondering if you witnessed something at Gemini are recently that sparked this like thought.
I personally think some events (and even regions) are much more conducive to children than others.
A 24 hours non-stop blow out ala So.Cal Psytribe style probably isn't the best place for a trancer parent to bring a child, where as a nice weekend long event at some place like Deer Fields i think i is fine.
I do think, that some parents, just aren't prepared for the added responsibility of bringing their little one to events tho, and think they can go about the weekend as they normally would. I've seen it a few times with a parent on the dancefloor, with a toddler attached by one of those kid leashes sitting in the dirt surrounded by people getting their their stomp on
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 03:15
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Gemini two years ago... the first trance outdoor I ever went to, my friend and I had to sit and watch 2 or 3 children playing in the river because their parents were nowhere to be found. We weren't just going to leave them alone! |
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moondoggy
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 04:18
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great thread, really glad to hear everyones thoughts on it..were due for our first child in nov and have talked alot about when and how is best to start introducing the culture and bringing the little moonpup along..
i really like seeing families at gatherings.., recently at Gateway burn saw several responsible parents with children of all ages having a wonderful time, was absolutely refreshing..these gatherings are community-oriented ((imo)) and id really like to see them develop more towards the inclusion of the younger heads, rather than this being one more part of "culture" designed to make the larvae feel insecure and alienated..
as far as the night being too crazy..i dont know, we have have pow wows in oklahoma that even babies are brought to, and not to give away any ancient tribal secrets  but things get pretty..um, sacred, at night
ultimately yes its parental responsibility, but i think the context its presented in helps, at least for the childs sake..
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Posted : Jun 19, 2010 08:31
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yea it goes both ways here, I've seen great parents really set an example for how to care for kids at psy events (eg, find the quietest camping you can, sleep in the tent with your kids, wake up early in the morning eat breakfast and go dance, etc. or one parent gets to go dance at night and the other stays with the kids, etc.)
there are a ton of possibilites to include the kids and still have fun, however I see irresponsible parents too, pretty much, I think if you have your kid at the party, you shouldnt be high as hell, you should be taking care of your family. theres a time and a place for everything, and if you want to flip your lid, then maybe get a babysitter and dont bring the kiddos along. I think maybe the longer festivals are better for kids, where as the one night events tend to just be nuts.
I also think some scenes have more family friendly vibes than others, and really its more burns than psy events that I would be a little wary of bringing my small kids to. I guess its your choice what you expose them to, I just know when I have kids, while I will be exposing them to a wide variety of things, I'll probably wait until they are older to let them see the full on S&M camps in action (though I personally find it hilarious and mostly harmless myself)
if I were a parent, I would be more preoccupied with not putting my kids in a situation where the overly controlling state could step in and call me an unfit parent, but thats just my two cents. I dont think thats the case with trance events unless you leave your kids locked in a hot car or let them roam loose.
thats the other thing, dogs, dogs drive me nuts when the owners let them just run amok at trance events, while nice dogs are rarely a problem, theres always that one that starts picking fights. dog drama, as if there isnt enough!
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nappy daze
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Nice one Mr. V!
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 06:38
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On 2010-06-18 21:23, paradigm wrote:
good thread.
Wondering if you witnessed something at Gemini are recently that sparked this like thought.
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Yea there was a pretty blatant parental failure at gemini, but I see it all over the place. The southeast festivals i've been to the parenting has been really really good. Haha i like to take shifts hanging out with the random lil kids so the parents can go shake their money makers..and one even calls me uncle vomit lol.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 07:03
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On 2010-06-23 06:38, cinderVOMIT wrote:
..and one even calls me uncle vomit lol.
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This adds the whole new dimension to this topic, doesn't it?  |
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 07:18
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haha yea i'm a fan of adding dimensions to dimensionlesser dimensions..or something? 
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