kArO
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 09:26
cheesy - totally subjective. one person's beautiful glossy dreamscape is another's cheesy, melodic, generic, blah blah ... just as one person's deep twisted journey is another's cheesy, horror movie wannabe, blah blah...
mainstream - popular, regardless of commercial success
commercial - makes money
i won't bother with examples. i love whatever music moves my particles into a frenzy. the sensation is so delightful and heavenly i float above the ground, suspended in time and space.
have fun, loves.
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 15:37
"On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish one’s own faults rather than to judge others"
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 00:26
What people consider "commercial" means an artist considered by most people to make good music, psychedelic or not, who makes a decision to prioritize money over the musical interests of the intended audience.
Mainstream music is commercial music targeted at the general public, the least common denominator of people.
Cheesy is just a vague word that people like to throw around to describe music that they simply don't like.
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Kane
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 00:28
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On 2007-01-21 21:56, makus wrote:
agree with Kazi first post except of the fact that ALL music that is somehow SOLD is commercial.
mainstream = popular, cheesy = bad sounding.
"ALL music that is somehow SOLD is commercial."
To an extent..but the idea is that the music becomes commercialized when it's being advertised by people..not because the artist has to make a living.
"mainstream = popular, cheesy = bad sounding."
More personal opinions.
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 00:34
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On 2007-01-22 09:26, kArO wrote:
commercial - makes money
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So all producers who don't want to end up being considered the next Skazi can't make any money? There's a difference between music that tends to simply promote itself and music that has to be advertised and depicted as "COOL AWESOME ARGH FULLLONNN" to sell.
I don't like heavily commercialized music because it promotes, along with just plain "sales", the concept of removing what the original intent of the music was, the sole purpose of it is lost in commercialized music. If this original intent isn't lost, it only becomes another part of why you should buy their records. Skazi and Infected Mushroom have both been heavily commercialized in comparison to most psytrance artists of today, and in my opinion, the music is no longer psychedelic nor "trance" to a certain extent, and therefore, I don't like it.
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kArO
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 05:32
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On 2007-01-22 09:26, kArO wrote:
commercial - makes money
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So all producers who don't want to end up being considered the next Skazi can't make any money?...
um, you lost me qane. i didn't say "commercial-skazi". i don't care who or what makes money. commercial usually refers to commercial success. (commercial- of, pertaining to, or characteristic of commerce.) now if we were talking about marketing then that's a different subject.
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 14:59
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On 2007-01-24 00:28, Qane wrote:
"ALL music that is somehow SOLD is commercial."
To an extent..but the idea is that the music becomes commercialized when it's being advertised by people..not because the artist has to make a living.
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Posted : Jan 30, 2012 03:49
Cheesy = A Clownish musical act. Wierd Al, Aqua, Village People, Venga Boys, etc.
Basically, artists that blatantly don't take music seriously are cheesy. It can be entertaining in moderation.
An example of a band with a lot of talent that skirts the line between professional & cheesy is Ween. Anyone who's heard Ween's music would know immediately.
Commercial = Music made for money. A soulless and blatantly fake ploy for dollars. I would argue that this occurs very rarely in the psytrance scene. People go into the pop & rock scenes to make money. I doubt the Gordon Gekko's of the musical world are like "gee I think this obscure underground trance is gonna be the next best thing" and invest a ton of money ensuring its chart domination over the world.
Again, it's hard to intrepret the difference between made for money, and made for the love of the music. Since who knows what the artist's "intent" actually is. I'm not a mind reader, and moreover I don't really consider this to be an issue of contention. If you make a song for money and it happens to be good, I don't care. Likewise, the reverse. I consider any attempt to overanalyze the issue to be futile in the face of whether or not I actually enjoy the music.
Mainstream = A Well Known Act with an established fan base. A pretty clear definition. Nothing to argue about here. The Beatles were mainstream, but not commercial... but Justin Beiber is a blatantly commercial act. You can be mainstream & commercial, but you can't be commercial without being mainstream.
Right now, Electro style dance music is saturating the charts... hence it is very mainstream. Skrillex is mainstream to the hills and back.
Goa/Psy, etc was never mainstream in the U.S. Maybe in Europe, but I don't have a European perspective. A few people know about Infected Mushroom here, but not many. Not enough to be considered mainstream in the same sense as Paramore. The main dance music American's like is Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is the most mainstream genre in the U.S.
Edit: I like full-on. I just don't consider it cheesy, commercial, etc. I just happen to enjoy rolling basslines with neat sound FX's and acid lines. It's an aesthetic thing.
This is my definition of cheesy. Wait fot the beat drop at 0:29 to see what I mean. I guess you could call this Lo-Fi Garage Synth-Pop if there ever was such a travesty of genres that is.
