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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 22:05
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live 9...audio to midi...fuckin GAMECHANGER and a half....
I know I will be ruthlessly converting all of my favorite artists' drum lines and whatnot to MIDI
and ripping out my favorite melodies of all time and tweaking them and figuring out what makes them tick....  If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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demoniac
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 00:17
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For me all the Daws are 95% same, if u know to use one daw u wil know how to use all of them.
Cubase have a better sound engine than ableton imho.
Automation is not hard at all, is the same as in ableton.
Here is a tip for a quick automation in Cubase:
Find the knob you wan't to automate on the synth/plugin.
Press the W button at the top left on the vst, you can see it here on the picture next to the R button:
Then press play and move the knob with the mouse cursor that you want to be automated, for example the cuttof on the filter, then press stop, press the W button again, so you don't automate any other knob by mystake.
Then find the channel on the main window where your vst is and press the + button at the bottom left, and there it is the automation curve for the knob you just tweaked.
From here you can automate it with drawing lines, dots etc...
It takes 5 second max to do this.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 00:46
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On 2013-01-31 00:17, demoniac wrote:
For me all the Daws are 95% same, if u know to use one daw u wil know how to use all of them.
Cubase have a better sound engine than ableton imho.
Automation is not hard at all, is the same as in ableton.
Here is a tip for a quick automation in Cubase:
Find the knob you wan't to automate on the synth/plugin.
Press the W button at the top left on the vst, you can see it here on the picture next to the R button:
Then press play and move the knob with the mouse cursor that you want to be automated, for example the cuttof on the filter, then press stop, press the W button again, so you don't automate any other knob by mystake.
Then find the channel on the main window where your vst is and press the + button at the bottom left, and there it is the automation curve for the knob you just tweaked.
From here you can automate it with drawing lines, dots etc...
It takes 5 second max to do this.
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+1 each DAW is not a big deal to learn also because they are actualy almost the same.
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Suloo
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 00:50
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On 2013-01-30 22:05, willsanquil wrote:
live 9...audio to midi...fuckin GAMECHANGER and a half....
I know I will be ruthlessly converting all of my favorite artists' drum lines and whatnot to MIDI
and ripping out my favorite melodies of all time and tweaking them and figuring out what makes them tick....
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you can do it in melodyne for quite some time already if you didn`t know..even has DNA wich lets you change notes in the actual audio file..
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On 2013-01-31 00:17, demoniac wrote:
For me all the Daws are 95% same, if u know to use one daw u wil know how to use all of them.
Cubase have a better sound engine than ableton imho.
Automation is not hard at all, is the same as in ableton.
Here is a tip for a quick automation in Cubase:
Find the knob you wan't to automate on the synth/plugin.
Press the W button at the top left on the vst, you can see it here on the picture next to the R button:
Then press play and move the knob with the mouse cursor that you want to be automated, for example the cuttof on the filter, then press stop, press the W button again, so you don't automate any other knob by mystake.
Then find the channel on the main window where your vst is and press the + button at the bottom left, and there it is the automation curve for the knob you just tweaked.
From here you can automate it with drawing lines, dots etc...
It takes 5 second max to do this.
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i think with automation they actualy mean midi learn wich is for sure more easy in ableton but even not too hard in cubase.. -------......-------...-..-..-..-.-.-.-.- |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 01:48
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On 2013-01-31 00:17, demoniac wrote:
Cubase have a better sound engine than ableton imho.
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Please explain. I'm sorry, but this is something that can be (and as far as I know, has been) tested and debunked. It's one thing if you are more capable in cubase than ableton, but its an entirely different thing to say that the 'sound engine' is better. If you use the same exact plugins you will get the same result in Logic/Ableton/Cubase as far as I know. I am open to being wrong, but this type of thing constantly gets brought up and IMHO its bullshit and can lead novices to the wrong conclusion.
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On 2013-01-31 00:50, Suloo wrote:
you can do it in melodyne for quite some time already if you didn`t know..even has DNA wich lets you change notes in the actual audio file..
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Yes, Melodyne has good capabilities, but the drum conversion is much worse than the ableton conversion, and in the comparison tests that I have seen ableton does an equal or better job than Melodyne in harmony and melody.
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On 2013-01-31 00:46, TimeTraveller wrote:
+1 each DAW is not a big deal to learn also because they are actualy almost the same.
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I respectfully disagree. workflow in Logic vs Ableton vs Cubase vs FruityLoops vs StudioOne vs Reaper can be vastly, vastly different. Do they share some similarities? Of course they do. However, almost the same? Hardly. If they were 'almost the same' then I could in theory open up reaper or Logic and get going pretty quickly assuming I have some experience in Ableton. I open those things up and I know what I want to do but I feel retarded because they are so glaringly different from each other. I will occasionally get jealous of this or that feature in one DAW and I have on occasion downloaded and tried them out, only to realize oh shit, I'm back to square one again and I have to sift through tons of menus and whatnot and I get super confused. If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 02:33
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yes it is not that easy for sure you are right or happens not in a nutshel without a bit of looking up the menues and manuals! but it's also not thaat hard to get familar with, often the shortcuts are just a bit different which is confusing and each daw has a few unique own functions but after a short time of getting into a new daw you will 100% know how to work with it i'm sure it takes rather some hardcore days or maybe some serious weeks but not years.
You spend lots of time in Ableton tricks and are advanced at this, but the basic functions you probably learned much quicker.After basics later it just fun to discover more things, if needed. Each daw has something very unique imo, if not just some must have plug ins or functions/options which can be just fun.
Each got audio and midi and aux tracks, inserts sends,etc the same most important funtions like copy, paste, record, delete, duplicate,freeze cut etc essential standards. I mean this basics are in each the same.The essentials to get anything going.
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pressure
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 03:21
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thanks for the replies everyone:)
so how do you freeze/flatten in cubase? export to audio? just like exporting a track except just one stem? weak...
yea i see the power in learning jst ONE well but i have already been through reason-FL-ableton and spent a few years on both (by now i am confident in ableton). annoying to change but id rather be with the right DAW 
demoniac - thanks for clearing that up, doesnt seem so bad
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pressure
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 03:23
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On 2013-01-31 00:17, demoniac wrote:
Cubase have a better sound engine than ableton imho.
Please explain. I'm sorry, but this is something that can be (and as far as I know, has been) tested and debunked. It's one thing if you are more capable in cubase than ableton, but its an entirely different thing to say that the 'sound engine' is better. If you use the same exact plugins you will get the same result in Logic/Ableton/Cubase as far as I know. I am open to being wrong, but this type of thing constantly gets brought up and IMHO its bullshit and can lead novices to the wrong conclusion.
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there is a difference i think man, maby in the algorithms for the summing engines.
also i have seen the demo vids of the audio to MIDI feature. looks very cool & useful but id be impressed if they can do anything with a fast-paced psy rhythms soaked in delay & reverb |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 03:44
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"I think there's a difference man" is not nearly enough, or any, evidence of anything other than your personal feelings.
That's all well and good, but it is not in any way persuasive. Show me something real.
As regarding psytrance and audio to midi conversion....you will undoubtedly have to work with it a bit. I don't expect you to be able to give ableton a full psytrance track and have it pump out the exact melody, especially if there is a lot of pitch modulation and whatnot.
However, I am confident that it will be able to pick up drum sequences, and if you EQ out the stuff you don't want it to analyze and only have it 'look' at a particular part of the spectrum then I think it will work great.
I'm particularly interested in ripping out the groovy hihats from my favorite records and analyzing them, as one of the most basic elements that I can't nail is a quick consistent but not super repetitive hihat pattern.
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pressure
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 04:28
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i dont really believe there is a noticeable difference in the summing engine, but there definitely is when pitching audio!, ableton has 5 different choices and none of them are very special |
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snowdogg
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 04:40
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theres a 25% discount and free upgrade to live 9 at the moment, if you are a student you can get it ridiculously cheap |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 05:44
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On 2013-01-31 04:28, pressure wrote:
i dont really believe there is a noticeable difference in the summing engine, but there definitely is when pitching audio!, ableton has 5 different choices and none of them are very special
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I haven't used Cubases pitching algos so I can't comment on that, but I do know that it takes some time to get used to what makes each different algo in Live shine.
I used to think Beats mode was total shit, and now it's one of my favorite tools. Ditto for Texture.
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Suloo
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 08:12
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On 2013-01-31 00:17, demoniac wrote:
Cubase have a better sound engine than ableton imho.
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Please explain. I'm sorry, but this is something that can be (and as far as I know, has been) tested and debunked. It's one thing if you are more capable in cubase than ableton, but its an entirely different thing to say that the 'sound engine' is better. If you use the same exact plugins you will get the same result in Logic/Ableton/Cubase as far as I know. I am open to being wrong, but this type of thing constantly gets brought up and IMHO its bullshit and can lead novices to the wrong conclusion.
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got the same feeling when doing a bassline in cubase and in live with the same plugs , im more satisfied with the cubase sound. might be illusion, but i can make an example next week or so..for a little DAW war is the logical step in such a thread XD
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On 2013-01-31 00:50, Suloo wrote:
you can do it in melodyne for quite some time already if you didn`t know..even has DNA wich lets you change notes in the actual audio file..
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Yes, Melodyne has good capabilities, but the drum conversion is much worse than the ableton conversion, and in the comparison tests that I have seen ableton does an equal or better job than Melodyne in harmony and melody.
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can you link the tests? does live also convert polyphonic or monophonic?
it will most likely be the freely available melodyne algorythm i guess.
http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=ara_sdk
cubase has also got conversion features and such a melodyne pitching editor called vari audio build in..
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so how do you freeze/flatten in cubase? export to audio? just like exporting a track except just one stem? weak...
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i got a bunch of audio tracks sorted in my template with its input to a group track, then i only set my instrument tracks to that group, lets say the record group, solo it, and hit record..instantly recording to the audio track, done..
then there is the little snowflake on each track, and when freezed, the audio file is rendered into the session folder if i remember right, you could just grab it and drag it into the session..correct me if i`m wrong, didn`t use the freeze in ages..
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 11:38
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thy sound different , they were coded wiht different algorithms. When doing my degree the guy (lecturer) who did electro engineering, digital engineering and etc clearly stated it, they all must and do sound 100 % different.
For me since then there never was a doubt about it, and I remarked audible differences years ago by my onw subjective opinion and set him thousands of questions about it.
This guy builds his own compressors and analog goodies and is a freak about algorithms digital engineering aswell a successful producer and a master lecturer was a great possiblity to ask and get scientific responses which I could not repeat as deteailed as he did but I know they sound different.
An analysis on this topic would be a nice work for a master of audio degree. Analysis (soundforge/wavelab) helps here more than any votes.
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demoniac
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 12:21
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