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pressure
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 06:22:17
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hi i am looking to maby move to cubase cos a few things annoy me about ableton (pitching algos,horizontal plugins,sessionview)
can someone with more experience help:
-is automation as easy?
-curves in automation?
-is freeze/flatten the same?
-does cubase handle vsts better?
any tips? thanks:) |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 06:24
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Not sure about automation ease....considering that the ease of something is dictated by your familiarity with it. There are definitely more automation options.
There are curves in automation. Freeze flatten is not the same. As far as I know, VSTs are handled equally well.
I have tried cubase and while I am impressed by its editing capabilities, my ableton-based brain thought it was a clusterfuck of confusion.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 06:26
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Kolishin Methud
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 07:41
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It's quite different from ableton for sure.
there is a freeze function in cubase but its not like lives where you can flatten and it will bounce it to audio. Cubase's doesn't do that.
cubase handles vsts pretty much the same. only better depending on your system for instance if you're running 64 bit. although the PDC in cubase is a bit better imo but i wouldn't focus on that.
as far as i know cubase doesn't have curved automation. automation is a few more clicks but not really "harder" just more tasking.
i use cubase every now and again for some of its editing features and its great at what it does! but for me at least i feel more comfy in ableton. but then again the new versions may have improved on some functions. I'm still on cubase 5.
If you are really serious about moving away from live for what ever reason maybe give Studio One a shot.. its has a snappy workflow with many features cubase has and doesn't have. good luck!
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WhySoLazy?
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 09:18
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-I find automation much more easier in Live than in Cubase . In live you just click on any parameter in the vst and the PINK LINE just popsup . In cubase you need to search for this parameter in the automation menu .
- No curves as I know
-You can freeze bat there is no flaten function in Cubase 
I have both and personally prefer Live for it's workflow , it's native plugins and the flaten function + much easier routing in Live .
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 09:29
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of course you got curves (sines) extremely automable and flexible and lots of other automation modes. You just have to know how and learn the shortcuts.
Freeze works better in Ableton since you have the audio in a nutshell and in cubase audio is hidden when freeze is aktive but same concept.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Both have its advantages and disadvantages. Saying one is better comes from not really knowing both.
Learn all and use the best of both worlds.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 10:18
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im a big fan of learning 1 DAW inside and out as opposed to learning two things half assed, because either cubase or ableton will take multiple, multiple years to REALLY master.
The goal is to learn your tools so well that you don't even think about using them, you just do it and it flows out of you. I'm 3 years deep in ableton and I can only occasionally glimpse that effortless workflow.
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 12:58
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yeah learn both, to me live is more intuitive than cubase for electronic music because it's structure leads the user to multiple combinations of ideas. its not just the track your building and anything you want to try you try on it only, you can shuffle easily through patterns which refreshes imagination all the time. |
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 13:02
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 15:19
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i am thinking to go the other way around.
automation in cubase sucks. also the browsing to samples in cubase is hell (the main reason for me to switch). bouncing in ableton is much more direct then in cubase. also the fact that one cannot rename samples in the daw in cubase is really off. it feels to me that cubase is a really oldfashioned program when it comes to userfriendliness.
i am using novation launchpad for stepsequencing in ableton with a max program called the hatchet and one cannot rewire live in cubase with this program activated. fist have to quit the hatchet to open live in cubase. why why why?
cubase on the other hand is very good for editing audio. i think i will keep on making kb in cubase and move the samples into live.
for me live is still a bit disorienting cause i am still used to have only the timeline in arranging.
its true that switching from daw is quite something not looking fwd to the first period of this learning process but i think its good to push oneself into experimenting with new ways of working, one daw is a bit of a small frame of reference when its abt workflow. but lets see if i survive the first sessions in live.
good luck with learning cubase
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 15:23
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i think cubase 7 will have a demo soon.
what about live 9 guys? is it out or should be out soon?
in live if you use plugins with latency , automation are not synced it s one of the big bug introduced with live 8 that should really be fixed (maybe it s fixed now) |
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Disciple
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 15:29
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I'd stick to Albleton. The grass isnt always greener. Learn 1 thing well not 2 things ok. |
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Suloo
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 15:32
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vaporware XD
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 15:39
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i kind of agree to stick to one daw is good for fast workflow , to not loose inspiration ect.. but it s not like the first tune you make on a new daw gonna be worst than the last one you did on the daw you use since years... so in a way i would say try all daw you can if you feel like changing |
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 16:35
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u can rewire abelton into cubase.. i was using cubase now i switch to abelton. I find abelton more intuitive.
best part on abelton is u can always change the bpm.
automation wise it is same same.. but abelton is more cpu friendly |
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