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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 19, 2007 17:15
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Selling nuubiness...
$20 per track >=P
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Nov 19, 2007 19:01
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Pythagoraz
TimeDrained / Pythagoraz
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Posted : Nov 19, 2007 22:19
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I know excactly what you mean. I often listen to my old tracks and find details and ideas that is just as interesting if not better than the ones in my newer stuff.
But as you say, all in all my tracks too, keep getting better overall...
it's all very normal i guess.. 
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 23, 2007 11:41
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I have had the same experience. The more i learn, the more i tend to use my head instead of my ears. So i have weird thoughts like "i shouldn't dip the eq too much or it's going to cause phase problems", instead of just listening. Basicly the information you learn about mixing and music start to act like a constraint instead of a helpful guideline. The last few months i've been trying to ignore most of the stuff i learned and A/B sounds to judge by ear and for me this is much better.
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Soul Kontakt
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Nov 23, 2007 12:45
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i Also get this but what i do is i take the idea of the old track and make it much much better today. In fact the ideas of five years is compressed into 1 album right now and the result is beautiful!
Boom :)
SOUL KONTAKT - 12th Planet new track on www.myspace.com/soulkontakt
Soul Kontakt Live for demo or booking email soulkontakt@hotmail.com
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Nov 23, 2007 13:08
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On 2007-11-23 11:41, Boobytrip wrote:
I have had the same experience. The more i learn, the more i tend to use my head instead of my ears. So i have weird thoughts like "i shouldn't dip the eq too much or it's going to cause phase problems", instead of just listening. Basicly the information you learn about mixing and music start to act like a constraint instead of a helpful guideline. The last few months i've been trying to ignore most of the stuff i learned and A/B sounds to judge by ear and for me this is much better.
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ya i have been going this direction too latley for sure! its a hard habbit to break (working with your mind ehehehe) but letting go has brought me results.
The Way Back
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shachar
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Posted : Nov 26, 2007 19:59
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theres some times when i listen to the music and evertyhing lost his "magic" once you know how to make it..you recognize the samples and the Vst`s used in the tracks.. |
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 26, 2007 21:03
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shachar wrote:
theres some times when i listen to the music and evertyhing lost his "magic" once you know how to make it..you recognize the samples and the Vst`s used in the tracks..
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Too true. I couldn't tell you the damage producing music has done to my enjoyment of listening to it.
Getting in so deep you can lose track of why you started and what you loved about tunes. I'm not a big drugs advocate, but honestly - ecstasy temporarily solves this problem! |
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Nov 26, 2007 23:56
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shachar wrote:
theres some times when i listen to the music and evertyhing lost his "magic" once you know how to make it..you recognize the samples and the Vst`s used in the tracks..
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Too true. I couldn't tell you the damage producing music has done to my enjoyment of listening to it.
Getting in so deep you can lose track of why you started and what you loved about tunes. I'm not a big drugs advocate, but honestly - ecstasy temporarily solves this problem!
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ya i so much agree.... wow you said exactly what i think when you said "I couldn't tell you the damage producing music has done to my enjoyment of listening to it." i dont even listen to psytrance hardly anymore, making this music kinda ruined the listening to it for me.
The Way Back
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 00:47
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This is interesting point. I have noticed that long ago. Since I make music I tend to have higher expectations from music I listen and also I had a problem with listening music in general. I tend to hear bits and parts instead of composite music (how are they made, is it original or from a sample CD, what hi hat kit is used, too much or not enough reverb etc.).
So knowledge about something (in this case production) is preventing us to experience the music as it is because knowing how it's made we can hear and recognize smaller parts of the whole. Once you become familiar with certain pattern (pattern of music creation in this case) you recognize it every time and you can not avoid recognizing it, at least until you manage to forget the pattern. But try to forget something on purpose 
In a way it reminds me of looking trough the microscope... Ironically you can see the fundamental structure of things but at the same time you can not see the very thing that's under the microscope. But in a case of microscope you can always stop looking trough it and look without the aid of lenses. With knowledge it can get a bit tricky...
Anyway... I strongly recommend the book "Freedom from the known" by Jiddu Krishnamurti. It deals with this (and some other similar) issue. Krishnamurti is one of the greatest thinkers EVER! Sadly enough even 22 years after his death he's rarely understand.
This "knowledge" problem is also responsible for older tracks being much more creative than tracks made during the phase of knowledge gathering and analyzing. It's hard to be free from knowledge and our own mind, but it's worth the effort 
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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makus
Overdream
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 01:19
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 13:48
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The same thing happens with everything. People think in somekind of shorthand: when you see a door, you label it as a door and stop perceiving it as the beautifully crafted wooden door with the funky handle which it really is. In principle, everything is detailed to infinity, and your mind has to draw a line when to stop perceiving. If your perception has labeled the perception, it's done. Same thing with music: when you hear a preset you know, you stop interpreting it much further and think "delaylama, preset 2". The problem is that the more you have perceived and heard in the past, the more new things appear to be examples of things you have seen and heard in the past (at least in YOUR perception), while in reality they don't have to be related at all. That's why meditation and psychedelics can be so valuable: they free you from the constraints of earlier perceptions somewhat and enable you to perceive more like a child.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 14:22
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I'm glad to see that more and more people understand the importance of knowing the nature of our own minds. Without being aware of it one can look at the world for entire life and never see it as it is. This is the final goal of philosophy, mystical or psychedelic experience and any individual spiritual path. Religions in general do not value such viewpoint and insist on scriptural interpretation (perception) of the world.
Any other way of using psychedelics is IMO a complete waste of time and psychedelics. It's only true value is the power to dissolve all boundaries and finally to dissolve an illusion of ego.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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makus
Overdream
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 14:43
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shachar
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 17:27
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i heard that what we see is 10% what our eyes capture and the rest 90% is all about the way our mind preception. i guess its the same with music..
when we happy and drunk we enjoy music much more than to listen to the same track while tired etc.. |
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