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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 19:58:57
So i'm working on this song but i'm having troubles deciding what bass to use, one is centered the other panned hard left and right.And i'm working on headphones, can u guys say wich sounds better
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Please excuse some glitches, my processor is burning
Plasmorh
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Posted : Apr 26, 2011 07:58
2nd one has lack of low freqs...
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Posted : Apr 26, 2011 11:04
I do something like that with stem tracks, which I mix down in Reaper cuz its just a tiny bit easier than Renoise. What I do is convert the bass/kick stem to mono, pan it hard left and right and route them to channels 1 and 2, but also I think it sounds better when theres a third mono channel for the center, routed to stereo 1/2 out.
Bouncing the stems before mixdown saves TONS of CPU also, I run around 40 or 50 32 bit FP stem tracks (lots of duplicates) in Reaper with less than 50% cpu use, but thats cuz theres not usually more than a few effects, all the real work already done in Renoise.
Also, it could be placebo, but I think that Renoise crossmixes whatever its running thru the master, and outputting each track bypasses the master. Reaper sounds to me like it doesnt necessarily crossmix everything, but idk, anyway Reaper has great routing options... Whatever it is about Reaper makes my mixdowns very very clean very very easy compared to Renoise... (Would be interesting to try a mixdown in Renoise for comparison)
[the reason i use Reaper for that; Renoise doesnt automatically set the project end tiime. Thats it. Im lazy what can I say and dont want to have to cut dead air off tracks all the time. Reaper probably runs less CPU tho...]
Depending on what OS youre using, Nomad Moon, turnign off GUI effects, 3d hardware acceleration, and setting the resolution and color to the lowest saves tons of CPU, my old 2.6ghz p4 running XP ran a live set in Live with around 40% CPU left over. Win7 though it doesnt matter.
Listening to the 2 I agree with Plasmorh, the 2nd one is less low end, you can even see it in the waveform. I dont think it sounds bad though, but im not listening on anything like quality speakers
Id suggest that you give the 2 monos-panned-L-and-R-plus-center-mono-playing-stereo thing that i described a try, see how that does, if it works for your purposes or not. Worst case, you delete something Also Im curious if Im crazy thinking that the technique is worth half a crap.
Edit and I swear Ill STFU; I forgot to mention the bass-kick stems are converted to mono-mixdown rather than L or R.
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Posted : Apr 26, 2011 11:44
I think the Mono is better, I also experimented around with panned basslines, and always found it just has more presence in Mono. Plus, basslines panned hard right and left somehow crowd the mix, I always feel it takes space away on the sides for other sounds. But thats just MHO.
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Posted : Apr 26, 2011 12:03
you should check out THE HAAS effect if your panning things hard left and right
you can remove the mono sum of the tracks and widen the stereo field so audio is percieved to come from outside the speaker
worth a shot
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Posted : Apr 26, 2011 12:14
i got the idea that it might sound best if the bass/kick mono track is the same regardless of one's position in the stereo field, thats what got me on the idea of hard panning. But i really dont know and its all based on my own subjective experience.
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Posted : Apr 26, 2011 14:20
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Listening to the 2 I agree with Plasmorh, the 2nd one is less low end, you can even see it in the waveform. I dont think it sounds bad though, but im not listening on anything like quality speakers
Id suggest that you give the 2 monos-panned-L-and-R-plus-center-mono-playing-stereo thing that i described a try, see how that does, if it works for your purposes or not. Worst case, you delete something Also Im curious if Im crazy thinking that the technique is worth half a crap.
Edit and I swear Ill STFU; I forgot to mention the bass-kick stems are converted to mono-mixdown rather than L or R
Has i was listening i tought about that also, maybe i should put the real lows also in the center, the wave form shows that something's missing, i had this ideia listening to a set that Yoko (Cardinal Cartel)posted on the other day and the bass seemed panned with anti-phase, but it was something going in the middle also, so i'm testing all hipoteses,
Thanx fot the replies guys
Keep'em coming
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Posted : Apr 26, 2011 20:29
I have faced the same problem, and I have ended up in a conclusion that the bass should be always near the center when you want balanced sound. It's ok if you widen the bass without panning it but that can also damage the low end.
To make up for this try widening and panning other instruments and adding slight reverb. You have very good spacy sounds in this track you could make more atmospheric (dont do this too much, just slightly). You won't be concentrating to bass when you have all the awesome sounds around you. It's just a bass afterall
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Posted : Apr 27, 2011 14:41
im sure this is alrdy descussed, but im to lazy to read.
make sure you have centered your subs.
this can happen with different layers, splitting channels (freqencies), or after synthesis with amultiband stereo imagin (wich i dont would use for this, because you will have freq loss or other strange effects i guess).
make sure you have a stereo field analyzer or such a thing...
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Posted : Apr 27, 2011 15:13
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And yeah your track is gonna be nice. Intro is just not my type
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Thanx friend , i'll check your track latter, i'm at work ,and with crappy speakers, i have a serious problem with intros , i would like to be able to make my pads as fat as the ones does multiphase, but need to work on that.
@orgytime
I usually dont use stereo imaging plugins for now, maybe when i really have control over all aspects of sound i'll use them, at this point i feel i loose control of what's hapenning.
I think i'm going to stick with the mono centered bassline, don't have that much knowledge to create several layers of bass without messing things up
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Posted : Apr 27, 2011 17:34
The one in the center . Try fill the track more , Intro sound cool but need more
work on . Not the kind of kik i like , Think an sharper one will be better .
Cheers .. ! .
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Posted : Apr 27, 2011 18:31
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On 2011-04-27 17:34, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
The one in the center . Try fill the track more , Intro sound cool but need more
work on . Not the kind of kik i like , Think an sharper one will be better .
Cheers .. ! .
Hey there, thanx friend, if i had your technique i could make my pads fatter, but i'm working
