Cds that Don't Read?

You are whining. . .

On 2011-03-12 19:27, minus wrote:

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You are whining. . .

i am winning. .cause dyin is for fools.

On 2011-03-12 18:20, Beat Agency wrote:

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On 2011-03-12 18:07, cinderVOMIT wrote: Labels have to approve the master copy of the cd...if the cd is tracked out in the wrong order, or something is wrong..then you have to get it fixed before you approve...once you approve the release you are responsible for everything after that...

Yes to the first part NO to the last part.

The CD "not playing" or "skipping track(s)" errors are not because of the master but because of a manufacturing error after approval of the master. And the minute the CD's are being sold by a distributor the Distributor is the one that legally is bound to replace a faulty CD to a shop and the shop is the one that's responsible according to law to replace it to the customer or to refund the money. You see a distributor buy off the stock of the label and by that is the one who is responsible according to the law.

IF the label sell the CD's on it's website or does all the distribution by itself THEN the label is responsible according to law. Otherwise not.

Just as if you download a tune from an online shop and there is an error. Then you ask the online shop to replace it or give you back the money. You dont call the label complaining

Only the Distributor has a legal claim against a label if there are errors on the CD(s). And the label then have a legal claim against the Production plant where they got the CD's from.

On 2011-03-13 15:35, Beat Agency wrote:
I am not even sure 500 CD's would be sold with most artists today.

Lets be realistic and say 200 ok

On 2011-03-13 09:02, scobbah wrote:
I'd just like to add something, and that is that labels have a responsibility in making a bit of research, too, as someone mentioned previously. I'm not sure if it's just me, but from time to time I feel that some folks are just a little too naïve. Running a label means more than just collecting tracks, burning them onto a cd-r and send it to the pressing plant; these folks expect the pressing plant to take care of everything from that point whatever mistakes show in the analyses of the factory prior to moving to the printing stage. For instance, there's a possibility to include up to 80 minutes of material but beyond the 79m20s point one takes the risk of seeing one's CDs not being playable on all devices. It's just one example out of many, and I think acquiring such type of information is primarily within the responsibility field of the label. One can't always expect the factory to run audio scans, analysis checks on the graphics etc - it all boils down to whom you work with. Getting feedback is something you should be able to expect from a serious manufacturer, but with less and less promising sales figures more and more people choose to go with one of the cheaper options, which I guess is understandable to some extent. It's certainly not with a feeling of bliss that one sees 1,000-2,000 € or more going down the drains, is it?

This is just my personal opinion, but if you really believe in your work and have that sweet feeling in your gut, parting with a bit more dough shouldn't be too hard knowing that you've done everything you can to make sure your release comes out exactly the way you want it. But then, there are always exceptions in the production process - anyone can experience bad luck - but then there are some quite evident signs that in some cases it's not a matter of bad luck but routine, i.e. regardless of results you stick with what you've got instead of evaluating the situation and perhaps try a new business partner.

With quantities rarely being more than 500 units at a time, the difference today between the cheap and the expensive option tends to be no more than 300-600 € (depending on how long a wish list you have, e.g. DJ slip, a booklet with more than 4 pages, type of disc and disc colour etc). I say that it's worth it, but perhaps to some this extra financial step might prove a little challenging, but then I'd say just try to hang in there, save a bit more and be patient; we could potentially see a general rise in quality in terms of production if a few more folks walked down this lane and it'd be less common to see these askew digipaks where it looks like the final touch'n'glue was done in a willy-nilly manner. But then again, if more people supported the music financially speaking, the step from the cheap to the more expensive option wouldn't be too hard to overcome. It's a little dose of what you give is what you get - you can't always expect a product to be perfect if you don't support the process yourself. It's just sad that this affects everyone that does pay for their CDs as every once in a while there'll be a new box of records coming in where at least one of your new CDs fits the description above.

On 2011-03-14 23:17, Shiranui wrote:
Yeah Pure Perception records shipped me a CD that didn't read. They said they would ship me a replacement but it never came and they don't respond to emails anymore