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CD-R quality?

NeutroN
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 22:43

You guys might be able to help me get over a paranoia of mine.

I am now backing up some of my CDs (music) I was wondering are their actually difference between cd-r brands, manufactures and their quality or are they pretty much the same?

If they are different I need some suggestions on which ones to buy.

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Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 22:51

It's a complex subject, and it depends on you burner which CD's it gets along with.
If you want to really get to know your CDR's you should scan them to see which ones fare well with your burner.
It's many brands of CD's but only few factories, and brands might change what factory they buy from.
So it's the factory that made them that is interesting if you like to be sure to get good CDR.
Taio Yuden is normally recommended as the best CDR, especially for burning audio CD.

I would recommend to check out this forum for more insights into CDR's:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33

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Trip-
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 07:57

I usually use TDK or Verbatim - they seem pretty much fine with audio.

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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 08:30

The color of the media is very important!!! Stay away from green, blue, pink stuff, they last for a week before starting to skip. A few years ago i made a research about this subject at UNI and the best media at that time was gold, nowadays i dont't know, i heard something about diamond media, wich would be silver and special for music, not sure though. C ya

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Ronaron303

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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 10:01

On my opinion the best cds is Eworks but i didnt find them on the web but you got those ones from VERBATIM: ______________________________ http://www.verbatim.com/products/product_detail.cfm?product_id=8679DE57-346C-4C76-A219C0A37DF4B0DD&pc_parent=76F06320-48F1-485E-8E286B6E0039C276
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---------------------------------------------------They are the same ,vinyl looks and quality(iguess
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For DJ's they are alsome ,they looks like the vinyls but as cd size ,and they dont skrach from up side (when you put them 1000 times or more in to the folder or cd case) for other ,too ,they have good quality,so get them, they are so cool.
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Other ,chek some pro cd-r,(for example MAXELL cd-Rpro,they do the job also and buy stickers for cds they help too.

Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 12:24

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On 2005-03-08 07:57, Trip- wrote:
I usually use TDK or Verbatim - they seem pretty much fine with audio.

TDK can be different CDR's and usually of good quality, but it varies and depend on where and when you buy them.
Like I said, what brand it is don't say that much it's the factory that counts and TDK do not make their own CDR.

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The color of the media is very important!!! Stay away from green, blue, pink stuff, they last for a week before starting to skip.

It generally true, but depends on your burner and the media still.
Much cheap media is of the blue green cyanine type dye.
But TY media, which is generally considered the best CDR for audio, is also using that dye but is well manufactured.

Gold is more durable, if it's from a good factory, which it's most of the time is.
Expensive though, and might not give less errors, but should be longer lasting.

I use MPO diamond media myself now.
They look just like a pressed CD, otherwise it's just like any phthalocyanine disc.
They do give better scans than my other phthalo disc though, but thats more likely because they are made in a quality factory in europe and cost double of some redgular Ritec or CMC discs.

So there is no easy answers.
To really know you have to try different media with your burner, check the ATIP (code on the CD that tells you what factory made them) and scan them for errors.
Only then you can know what CDR will give you the best results.
Otherwise you will get nasty surprises if you think you can stick with TDK or Maxell and think that their CD's is always the same.
And it can happen that a great CDR in most people experience is just not performing well on your burner.
And of course you can save money if you find a brand that is not branded as TDK but actually is exactly the same product.

XrTC

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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 15:42

does the CD-R or the CD-Recorder have anything to do with sound quality loss? i am asking this because i have noticed that a 16-bit 44KHz wav file on my computer, suddenly sounds different when i burn it to a cd. it's very disturbing and i never thought it could be due to the CD-R etc... does the burning software have to do anything with it? spindrift, u seem to know a lot on this matter, so i would appreciate your help!

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Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 17:35

Audio CD's is using error correction of a different type than data CD's.

As you know a data CD of course require all the bit to be correct after error correction, otherwise the file simply will not be possible to use.

With audio CD's and CDR's the error correction just patches up the sound on the fly so pretty much any CD will have lost a bit of information when playing back.

So the sound quality will be affected by what burner and media you use, what speed you burn on and what player you play it back on.

Since it can be hard to judge by ear how much is lost it's very good to get in to the habbit of checking your media using CD/DVD speed that comes with nero.
Or plexTools if you have a plextor burner, and Kprobe if you have a liteOn.
That will tell you how much errors you have on a burn.

Since I burn CD's for customers on the resonantearth site I have to be quality conscious about the burning and test the media I have on different burn speeds and stick with the speed and media that gives the lowest error count on my burner.

It used to be be that audio CD's was recommended to be burned at single or double speed.
That is not true anymore with current media and burners.
I have a 52x burner and use MPO Diamond media rated for 52x.
With that particular media and burner I get the best burns at 32x.

Software used should not have much of an effect what I heard.

For backing up tracks use data CD's with wav or FLAC files.
It will not affect the sound and is less likely to get totally corrupted.

XrTC

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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 14:29

whoa, spindrift, thanx a lot for the answer bro!

i have an old Hewlett Packard burner, that only supports 4x recording (!!!), so maybe that's the case. i will try another burner and see how it goes. software you say it's not the case, i am happy with that. i guess i should aslo start checking different media and how much errors are being created.

thanx again!

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Elad
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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 15:01

spindrift - but my discman read up to x16 ?
and thx for the tip

generally i use verbatim/nashua cd's never more then X8 for audio (with lg burner) i like my results.. another thing to consider is the time cd will last.
some i had totally ruined by time (actual hole on the top layer). like memorex and other shity cheap cd's..

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Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 15:26

@XrTC
With an old and slow burner my guess is that you will have the best results with the blue-greenish "cyanine" dye CD's.
Try to get hold of some Taiyo Yuden.

@tsabeat
Of course errors and longlivety is two different things. But they are many times related, so a burn with less errors often will last better.

And sure audio players will not read at 16x, but you will most of the time find that a CDR that burns with little errors will be your best bet for a reliable CD for playing in audio players.
When I burn my MPO phthalocyanine discs at 12X speeds the error rate is about three times higher than on 32X. Neither the media or the burner is made to burn correct at those speeds.
So I will loose sound quality on low speeds, and it will be more errors even when scanning at 1X.

If you have cyanine media maybe 8X is working better for you.
I was also happy with some media I had and thought that buring audio at slow speeds was the best.
But when I started scanning my burns I quickly changed my mind.

EYB
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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 16:50

I also use Verbatim cdrs.

They were tested by several german pc-magazines and were always the best cdrs avaible

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