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Posted : Jan 27, 2004 01:56
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When they say "freq. response" they mean a liniar reproduction, there is no actual cutoff below
25hz (for exemple), it just isn't being reproduced exactly 1:1 db. Thats why they allways show those graphs on stuff.
p.s. are u sure about that 5hz, cause it could be very dangerous in the wrong hands (with the right equipment it isn't such a bad weapon). |
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DJ_Chorman
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Posted : Jan 27, 2004 01:58
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100% sure.
check the specs on the pioneer website
or the sony dj headphones/ technics |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Jan 27, 2004 02:56
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If it was me i'd go for the pioneer1000, the denon must be good also, but i think few manufacters have as good reputation as pioneer got, regarding mixing material...
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jon
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Posted : Jan 27, 2004 03:29
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i really dont think frequency respsonse of CD player is something to worry about. You are getting into the domain of 'when audiophiles attack' which was something on ntk.net where they would provide amusing links to audiophiles talking about e.g. which optical cable has a warmer sound...
it reminds me when i read an article by a serious mastering engineer who was talking about how the sounds from his computer were better when teh computer box was seated on some cushions..... to do with jitter. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Anyway.... worry about accuracy/ power/ response of amp..speakers..... not frequency response of CD player..... oh also worry about acoustics of the room!! 
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DJ_Chorman
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Posted : Jan 27, 2004 03:46
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I am loving the Denon so much because they claim that it is like vinyl, and i would like the feel so that if I ever encounter vinyl, i will know the basics and transisions..... The pioneer is also heavier and more expensive, so i would like something lighter for traveling.
Is there any site where there are reviews for this equipments?
as for Accuracy? haha now youve got me started again.
please explain THIS concept.
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Chi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2004 14:02
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In my opinion, Pioneer is the way to go.
But i think that's a matter of personal opinion, there are people who are fine with the Denon.
Try them both and decide for yourself!
Accuracy of speakers means how good your speakers are at transmiting the real sound, instead of a "coloured" one (improved bass and/or highs).
The frequency response thing doesn't matter at all. It is just manufacturer specs which mean nothing (between these two of course). As i said, it's just personal opinion.
On the other hand, this has NOTHING to do with vynil. Believe me, it's completely different, and having a cd deck which emulates vynil won't make your life easier when you encounter a turntable.
If you like to dj, vynil is the way to go. It is completely different, much more satisfying from a dj's point of view. Also the sound quality is much higher. |
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DJ_Chorman
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Posted : Jan 28, 2004 19:18
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They are all sources of audio, same quality.
Whoever started this myth that vinyl is better is wrong.
it starts that people want the music to be vintage, but this is not true. At end of the day the sound is converted digital/analogue, and it is all the same.
The only reason that the vinyl is created is because of the record labels that need to only create small amounts of the records. It is not worth it for them to create the cds in many cases.
Vinyl players are also much heavier, and vinyl destructs in high temps etc. not to mention prices in the sky
at the end of day, skill is skill, and both are hard to work with. DJ Tiesto says that he finds trouble with the cd mixing but vinyl a sinch.
haha but enough on the CD vs. Vinyl it all does no matter at the end when the croud is bouncing to u music |
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jon
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Posted : Jan 28, 2004 20:17
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> At end of the day the sound is converted digital/analogue, and it is all the same.
I always used to think that too.... but it isn't true it in fact. The fact is that (usually) the music is mastered differently for a vinyl print, compared to a CD version. This is because you have to judge different things e.g. the space between the grooves and the thickness of the record itself.
I dont really know much about vinyl, but I know it's more complicated than just piping the CD output into the cutting machine.....
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jan 28, 2004 20:29
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chorman,
LOL!.,
since when does vinyl need digital to analogue conversion ??.
greets,
aka!., .,,, |
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DJ_Chorman
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 00:34
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ZilDoggo,
How do you think that the trance music was produced? We do not find vinyls on trees, the digital trance is cut to the vinyl so that it is analog..... this is my understanding at least... correct me if i am wrong.
And if it is originally from the digital, this analogue does not really matter. |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 00:43
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hehe.,., yeah, you are right.,
i thought you ment that vinyl has to be converted after the pressing .,.,
greets,
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Chi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 01:36
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Chorman, believe me, i know from experience.
The fact is that vinyl sounds better to my ears. While it's true that music is made in a digital way, vinyl sounds warmer, more organic (even with the cracks and pops you hear w/ silence), the bass is even smoother - but i guess everyone doesn't agree with this, and personal preference is all that matters.
I didn't say that vinyl was harder to mix, anyone who says that clearly hasn't tried mixing with cd's. What i said and meant was that when mixing with vinyl, i feel much more satisfied. You feel more in control. It's hard to describe, because it is a feeling.
And yes, vinyl is meant to play a little more than 1000-1500 times, prices are high and you have to take care of them, buying special clothes and fluid, etc. But because of all that you end up having a relationship with your records, the grooves... This sounds a little psychotic, but i guess you'd only understand after owning vinyl and turntables.
While all i said before was subjective, one thing is real: those cd players, no matter how good they are (and i'd really like to own one of them) don't feel like vinyl AT ALL. It's completely different.
Maybe one who feels more like vinyl is this:
http://www.numark.com/index.html?http://www.numark.com/products/product_view.php?v=overview&n=101
The new numark CDX - it features a 12" built in record, which moves - amazing!
I'm sure it complies with what you want, but keep in mind it's a new product, and you never know if it's going to have problems... also i never tried it, so i can't tell you if it feels more real or not. But it's worth taking a look. The price here is 1000 euros, which is similar to those 2 players you are mentioning. |
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DJ_Chorman
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 02:33
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Agreed..... the feel with vinyl is better but is DAMN expensive and heavy haha
I am just arguing the points in order to get the advantages and disadvantages.....
I am going to university next year, so my equipment choice will remain CD
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