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can you give me some tips for getting a decent bass with my virus
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Prototype
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Posted : Oct 21, 2004 15:53
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hi,
can you give me some tips for getting a decent bass with my virus kb?
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Oct 21, 2004 16:04
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Most of the time i use a sawtooth-waveform, amp envelope is set with attack = 0, Decay is somewhere between 10 and 60, no sustain and a short release (between 10 and 0). The filter i use is most often a low-pass filter (serial 4 or serial 6), sometimes with a bit of resonance. I use an amp envelope on the filter with only the decay parameter turned on a bit, sometimes some release. Use the ratio between this decay value and the amount of filter envelope that is applied to find the sound you need. most of the time i don't use distortion from the virus. You may want to change the curves of the envelopes by using the envelope parameters to modulate themselves (do this in the modulation section). Add some pepper, a pinch of acid et voila: le bass le plus cool  |
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katam
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Posted : Oct 21, 2004 16:38
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the only thing i think the virus isnt good at is short 1/16 basslines....i am a virus owner and lover myself but i could never get the damn thing to play a decent "fast" bass . but for making chillout or hip hop basses it rocks..
it lacks speed..
the only way you could do it is record single hits of notes and place them as audio.....otherwise id go for the vb or es-m if you are a logic user. |
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Psycho Mushroom Lolipop
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Posted : Oct 21, 2004 17:52
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And what synth is good for 16ths basses? |
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katam
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Posted : Oct 21, 2004 18:53
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microwave xt , tb 303,even the nord is better in those basses than the virus (i am not a sound engineer this is just out of my own experience)... |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Oct 21, 2004 22:52
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i dunno, but imho the virus is perfectly capable of producing tight, fast basses. It helps if you sync the oscillator by using the phase init knob. |
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katam
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Posted : Oct 21, 2004 23:22
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it is but i think you can get better results with other things...i use it for all my leads , pads fx and basically everything except bassline. |
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AvS
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Posted : Oct 22, 2004 17:12
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On 2004-10-21 16:38, katam wrote:
the only thing i think the virus isnt good at is short 1/16 basslines |
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I agree 100%. The Nordlead is kind of fast 1/16 bass lines.
The saw wave on the virus isnt as nice and cutting as the nordleads but you can make a better sounding saw wave, I just forgot how to do it! 
I have got a patch using this trick though. I might post it later.
ps: Virus rocks for pads though. |
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katam
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Posted : Oct 22, 2004 17:20
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yup if you find it can you pm? me i'd love to try it.... |
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Psycho Mushroom Lolipop
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Posted : Oct 22, 2004 17:21
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hey... post it here... |
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AvS
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Posted : Oct 22, 2004 18:05
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I dont have any server space at the moment so I wont post the patch itself.
But i can tell you the osc setting for the new saw wave.
First of all turn the analog boost upto around 70 because the new wave sounds quite thin on its own. Well ok, not thinner that the normal Virus saw wave.
Osc vol: -64 (we'll be using ring mod.)
Osc1: sin
Osc2: saw, semi -3, detune 80, FM mode Tri, FM Amount 33, Sync on, ring mod (this functions only as volume knob now that the osc vol knob is -64). PhaseInit 64.
You can alter setting to improve the result.
You must play with the filter settings yourself. One thing thoug: setting filter 2 to BS, cutoff ca. 30 and mix it in slightly, without any evn mod. (filter balance ca. minus 30) makes the bass sound alot cooler (some how nothing out the right freqs make things sound cool).
Please let me know what you think!
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katam
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Posted : Oct 22, 2004 19:16
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awesome man .....its also good for some crunchy punchy sounds......
i never thought about doing that....
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Prototype
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Posted : Oct 24, 2004 00:10
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On 2004-10-22 18:05, AvS wrote:
I dont have any server space at the moment so I wont post the patch itself.
But i can tell you the osc setting for the new saw wave.
First of all turn the analog boost upto around 70 because the new wave sounds quite thin on its own. Well ok, not thinner that the normal Virus saw wave.
Osc vol: -64 (we'll be using ring mod.)
Osc1: sin
Osc2: saw, semi -3, detune 80, FM mode Tri, FM Amount 33, Sync on, ring mod (this functions only as volume knob now that the osc vol knob is -64). PhaseInit 64.
You can alter setting to improve the result.
You must play with the filter settings yourself. One thing thoug: setting filter 2 to BS, cutoff ca. 30 and mix it in slightly, without any evn mod. (filter balance ca. minus 30) makes the bass sound alot cooler (some how nothing out the right freqs make things sound cool).
Please let me know what you think!
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i'm sorry to be such laymen but can you please be more specific- which sound or patch to start with- and where i find the setting for the saw wave- i found only triangle and square and some other custom wave types- so if you don't mind please help- tnx in advance |
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katam
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Posted : Oct 24, 2004 00:56
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start with patch b127, its a basic patch. i have an indigo so in my virus it is the first nob on the left above the display, i guess its like that in your virus too....the waveshape is set to saw when the nob is dead center......
hope it helps |
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 24, 2004 10:27
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like any other synth - one or two osc..
saw (+triange sinus(sub) or square(kinda "hollow") is common...
lp filter - cutoff 10-70
res 0-30
env - do something alone it changes final cut freq. and can "click" the start of note - u can remove click with filter envelope
attack 0-10
decay 10-70
sustain - depend if u use long notes baaline..
a bit of realese i like
lfo - again depends how u want ur bass - if its trancy short and fast may b u better close it to 0 (or tiny filter lfo)
hmm i like to add waves rbass or maxbass to basses and tight compresor - then im usualy happy completly
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http://yoavweinberg.weebly.com/ |
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