Elad
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Posted : Oct 3, 2009 12:18
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On 2009-10-03 11:28, mk47 wrote:
mp3 is fine , thanks
no thanx. enjoy that on computer speaker that worth 150 shekel.
on PA that cost 70 grand please dont use shit quality.
seriously its much easier to notice shit quality on huge speaker then at home.
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On 2009-10-03 04:46, Pavel wrote:
I think people should be more concerned with the quality of their music and not the amount of bits that are being used to store it. Needless to say that in a party situation no one would hear the difference anyway. And if you do, you are not enjoying the party.
wow thats smart ha.
and what about 2 djs play the same artists?
please bring the one with original cds.
its more respectfull and also more quality.
thats it.
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Posted : Oct 3, 2009 15:15
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On 2009-10-03 12:18, Elad wrote:
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On 2009-10-03 11:28, mk47 wrote:
mp3 is fine , thanks
no thanx. enjoy that on computer speaker that worth 150 shekel.
on PA that cost 70 grand please dont use shit quality.
seriously its much easier to notice shit quality on huge speaker then at home.
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On 2009-10-03 04:46, Pavel wrote:
I think people should be more concerned with the quality of their music and not the amount of bits that are being used to store it. Needless to say that in a party situation no one would hear the difference anyway. And if you do, you are not enjoying the party.
wow thats smart ha.
and what about 2 djs play the same artists?
please bring the one with original cds.
its more respectfull and also more quality.
thats it.
mp3 isnt about quality its about karma.
i dont know even a single GOOD dj that play mp3 sorry
Karma and file types have nothing to do with one another. And the success of Beatport, users of which are some of them are very well known DJs, cannot be argued. The fact that you desperately hold on to this archaic piece of technology and convincing yourself that somebody except a very small percentage of the crowd pays attention to a bitrate or the file format of the tune doesn't mean shit. People come to have fun, smoke/drink/take a pill/whatever and escape the everyday life. They will notice something wrong only if you play them 128Kbps or less. When a DJ will trainwreck shitty music in 24/96 and 5.1 he will still play a shitty music. I have a 10 year old recording of FSOL live recording from Radio using an old' school tape recorder and with all the hiss and noises it still sounds awesome. And believe me I am sensitive to hiss no less than you are.
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Kaz
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Posted : Oct 3, 2009 18:03
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On 2009-10-03 04:46, Pavel wrote:
I think people should be more concerned with the quality of their music and not the amount of bits that are being used to store it. Needless to say that in a party situation no one would hear the difference anyway. And if you do, you are not enjoying the party.
That is true, but even though a DJ that plays annoying music cannot salvage his set with better audio quality, a DJ that plays good music already could be even more of a blast if he plays that same music in better quality.
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Posted : Oct 3, 2009 18:09
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On 2009-10-03 12:15, Elad wrote:
really
40$ for 16 giga. thats atleast 10 albums dude!!
i think its cheap allready.
hgow much is "fair" you think???
Please show me where there is a 16 gigabyte SD card for $40!
Elad
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Posted : Oct 3, 2009 18:13
@ pavel .. play same track on wav mix it to mp3 and video the dancefloor show me how 'nobody notice'...
offcourse we dont look for them to come and say 'hey this is mp3' just look on how many people go to sit down and how those that stay dancing connect to the music.
i only know what i saw , i have no benefit at all from other dj's playing wav. neither mp3. couldnt care less , but when someone charge hundreds of euro's the least you can expect is that he play leagal stuff on top quality. www.sattelbattle.com http://yoavweinberg.weebly.com/
Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 3, 2009 22:17
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On 2009-10-03 12:18, Elad wrote:
mp3 isnt about quality its about karma.
Upavas
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 00:39
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On 2009-10-03 12:18, Elad wrote:
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On 2009-10-03 11:28, mk47 wrote:
mp3 is fine , thanks
no thanx. enjoy that on computer speaker that worth 150 shekel.
on PA that cost 70 grand please dont use shit quality.
seriously its much easier to notice shit quality on huge speaker then at home.
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On 2009-10-03 04:46, Pavel wrote:
I think people should be more concerned with the quality of their music and not the amount of bits that are being used to store it. Needless to say that in a party situation no one would hear the difference anyway. And if you do, you are not enjoying the party.
wow thats smart ha.
and what about 2 djs play the same artists?
please bring the one with original cds.
its more respectfull and also more quality.
thats it.
mp3 isnt about quality its about karma.
i dont know even a single GOOD dj that play mp3 sorry
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Innovation as far as sound is concerned is too slow in the Trance Scene, I have been trying to do the same with 5.1 ... it is a loong and arduous process...
I think in time 24 bit will become norm, but not for a long time... same with 5.1
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 04:39
yes wow what do you know (i believe that) karma can detect idiots charge money to play downloaded music from emule...
im not against any file format (like smart ass try to present it)
but still justify and argue for use of lower quality (leagal or not) can sound more funny then all my 'geek' explain.
yes people come to smoke drink relax and have fun , and all that got nothing to do with the file that the dj play. when talk ON SUBJECT of quality then nothing is good reason to use mp3 what to do. its like art gallery present digital art but on black and white tv screen from the 60's. enjoy yourself with that ok.. only makes me sound better when i play after you no problems (maybe just to me but according to dancelfoor reaction and feedback its not)www.sattelbattle.com http://yoavweinberg.weebly.com/
mk47
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 06:21
mp3 is fine man , were not at a party all the time , and im no dj ... i listen mostly in the car , at home or on ipod , as do most other people , take this topic to djing section if its only in regard to djs and big pa`s , anyway , this was originally about releasing 24 bit on cds ? sorry , dont want dont need , mp3s are a ok
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 07:21
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On 2009-10-03 12:15, Elad wrote:
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On 2009-10-02 18:28, Shiranui wrote:
We need a cheap reusable data storage container first. SD cards and USB drives are too expensive!
really
40$ for 16 giga. thats atleast 10 albums dude!!
i think its cheap allready.
hgow much is "fair" you think???
And either way, HARD DRIVES. If we're going this way anyway there's no reason we can't do it for real.
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 09:27
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By my calculation, a CD-ROM can hold a little over 40 minutes of 24 bit stereo .wav. Perhaps if tracks were released in this format, artists would not be so pressured to add filler to meet 70+ minutes!
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The minute psy starts releasing 40 mins of music aka 3-4 songs aka 1 LP, I stop buying. It's bad enough other genres started this half CD thing.
Elad
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 13:33
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On 2009-10-04 09:27, psytimeofmylife wrote:
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By my calculation, a CD-ROM can hold a little over 40 minutes of 24 bit stereo .wav. Perhaps if tracks were released in this format, artists would not be so pressured to add filler to meet 70+ minutes!
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The minute psy starts releasing 40 mins of music aka 3-4 songs aka 1 LP, I stop buying. It's bad enough other genres started this half CD thing.
about + - 35 tracks or so...
or 10 tracks with video clip
amazing how people think technology work against them.
some VERY smart people sitting down working full time to make your life better then you come and refuse to take. what a waste. atleast there are some people that enjopy it.
you can scream to the sky but blue ray HD looks much better then streaming from megavideo.
and so does 24bit/96khz then mp3.
the calculation is that:
24bit = 2100 kbps
16bit = 1400 kbps
how much lost on mp3?
Uncompressed audio as stored on an audio-CD has a bit rate of 1,411.2 kbit/s, so the bitrates 128, 160 and 192 kbit/s represent compression ratios of approximately 11:1, 9:1 and 7:1 respectively.
that's a little bit over 45$ ...so honestly I think that the solution would be for digital shops like beatport to simply offer 24bit wav files which you can store on either a usb drive or an sd card which are both pretty cheap at the moment...it could cost a little bit of extra money for those people that are willing to buy them and slowly but surely everyone will upgrade their gear and we will be able to use them more often...still I don't think it's really that important
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 22:43
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On 2009-10-04 13:33, Elad wrote:
how much you notice the difference from 128 to 192 , and what you think will be the difference to 2100 from 192
Irrelevant comparison since our hearing isn´t linear and your comparing a compression algorithm against uncompressed which is not the correct way of doing that comparison. So with that logic your saying 24 bits sound twice as good as 16 bits. I agree that it sounds better but not twice as good Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 23:03
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On 2009-10-04 22:43, vegetal wrote:
So with that logic your saying 24 bits sound twice as good as 16 bits. I agree that it sounds better but not twice as good
since when 1400 and 2100 is double?
but im not here for math problems.
i just say its better quality and its available so why not use it.
also mp3 is advance technology , but for file size not for qulity. so everyone can do whats good for them.. i stick to top quality and respect what im doing.. its anywayz DJ discussion i play 24 bit allready couple of years and also the DJS are the one actualy buying the cds (hopefully)
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(maybe just to me but according to dancelfoor reaction and feedback its not)
