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Posted : May 22, 2012 22:14
just my 2 cents
i think it depends on what kind of music y want to make
When making a melodic track i think working with a chord schema is a good way to go because there are music rules that you can follow and they work, takes time to learn the rules but in the end it will pay off
When making darker kind off music i say forget the idea of making a whole track but.......
Make scenes ,little 2a3min tracks with every thing y know in there and mix them in your daw
when working with scenes ,you get much more freedom because it is easier to make a 3 min lead then a 7 min lead right......
also this way you can change the feel of track really easy buy changing kick and bass or the background noises etc etc
Also if y are a bit new try to learn al the part that a track needs (check the posts of mdma mind doctor makes acid he has got good tuts for this structure part)
like a melodic , ritme, and effcts part
etc
here a little example
if you take a look at the wave form of this track i made you can see pretty good where the scenes are
so dont worrie about making full 7a8 min tracks but just make smaller tracks and join them together
maybe y could share a bit more info on your set up so that we can see if can finish a track together if y would like
also i would like to say a track is never finished because y keep on learning more and getting more plugs etc thats the beautie of it i think the more y know the less y know
hope this helps grtz maarten aka Detox
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Posted : May 22, 2012 22:35
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of course, if they play at the same time. but you don't have ALL the elements playing at the same for your whole track. otherwise there would be hardly any progression. so you have only some of your instruments playing for the majority of the track and "holes" where the other instruments will later play. but i guess it depends on the music. for the more minimalistic stuff it sure works fine, but if you want to constantly blast your listener with melodic crazyness (think filteria, artifact303, dimension 5, pleiadians, artha, ..) i guess that's not really an option....
i think you didnt understand my point...
i mix them togheter to cut frequencies, but that doesnt mean they will sound togheter on a track...
you also shouldnt say my method doesnt work if i were an Artist A or B, because each artists work at his own way, there is many diferent ways of composing and build tracks...
i made a sugestion by mentioning the way i do... didnt said my way was better, its just the way i work....
you should never understimate other people´s methods, especialy if you dont understand them...
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Posted : May 23, 2012 00:44
i'm not trying to criticising your way to do things, just trying to understand it and work out the strengths and weaknesses compared to what i do. particularly since i plan to use a different style and approach in my next track. generally the mixing tutorials and the like say "fill out your frequency spectrum for a pleasant and balanced sound", so i was interested if and how you solved this issue. if i understood you correctly, you don't care about this issue and it still works out fine (actually a lot of older trance is just like that). so sorry if it sounded as if i was telling you that your way to work was wrong. i was just interested and of course every artist uses different methods. i mentioned those artists to give you an idea of the style i was talking about, which features lots of melodic instruments that often occupy the same frequency area.
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Posted : May 23, 2012 04:40
I just smoke weed till I can't recognise my own shit,and I get new perspective...But thats the worst advice ever probably From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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Posted : May 23, 2012 21:25
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On 2012-05-23 04:40, jekvan wrote:
I just smoke weed till I can't recognise my own shit,and I get new perspective...But thats the worst advice ever probably
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Posted : May 24, 2012 04:23
It's all about practise. There is no formula, just many many hours spent producing.
I couldn't finish most of my tracks 1 year ago, and I'm producing since 2002... You just need to slap yourself and stop being lazy and learn more!
If you can't finish one track just go for the next one, you will get better eventually and things will flow naturally. Do this until you can open your DAW with the confidence you can start a new project and finish it a few hours later.
If you really love making music just go for it!
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Bipolar
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Posted : May 24, 2012 04:46
Smoke some chronic and ideas will come, if not!! at least you will be, with a smile in your face!
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Posted : May 24, 2012 05:14
Yeah i know how it is, you just finished 5 minutes of your track, and now you just need to make the final part Cpu is going to the max, you already repeated the last loop with few changes, too tired to make a completely new part, and you already made too many breaks and u used that voice sample too many times in the track and copying the same sounds from 3rd minute feels like cheating
Also doesn't matter if u have 2 monitors, no monitor is enough for you to see all your channels without scrolling, and no matter how much you expord your midi files, your cpu will stay up.
Then you think why not making dubstep??
The tracks are shorter than psy trance and u dont need to use so many channels, but u remember how crappy the new tracks from Infected Mushroom and Skazi are, so you quit that idea.
You wish there were some label actualy releasing cds and paying for tracks, so you could make a little cash from sitting 40 hours in front of the monitor, and then you realise that is never going to happen.
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Posted : May 24, 2012 06:26
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On 2012-05-24 05:14, demoniac wrote:
Yeah i know how it is, you just finished 5 minutes of your track, and now you just need to make the final part Cpu is going to the max, you already repeated the last loop with few changes, too tired to make a completely new part, and you already made too many breaks and u used that voice sample too many times in the track and copying the same sounds from 3rd minute feels like cheating
Also doesn't matter if u have 2 monitors, no monitor is enough for you to see all your channels without scrolling, and no matter how much you expord your midi files, your cpu will stay up.
Then you think why not making dubstep??
The tracks are shorter than psy trance and u dont need to use so many channels, but u remember how crappy the new tracks from Infected Mushroom and Skazi are, so you quit that idea.
You wish there were some label actualy releasing cds and paying for tracks, so you could make a little cash from sitting 40 hours in front of the monitor, and then you realise that is never going to happen.
Suddendly you remember the last gig you played and how good was the feeling to play your music in front of so many people dancing like crazy, and then somehow the track is finished in 3 hours + you already set the kick and bassline for the next track
thats the best advice I ever got thanks man!!
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Posted : May 24, 2012 16:00
My new technique is "Blind-Producing". Means i try to get an idea in my head and then start to arrange this without touching the space bar.
The chaos factor in this always brings new ideas and inspiration.
Also i think turning down the speaker vol to a minimum can help.
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Posted : May 24, 2012 16:50
In our case the situation is much easier because we are 2 minds, when someone stuck the other man brings new ideas and we keep on
When you write a track is very important to have the main idea of how do you imagine/want/think your track...
There is no a standard formula that works with anyone...each one have his own way...just find your way to keep you in touch with your track!
...into the wild....
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Posted : May 24, 2012 20:37
one thing about finishing tracks came to me as soon as i started living with my future wife (wedding's in august - don't forget to express your congrats by then ) - current rithm of a day and all the circumstances that occur including other musical projects, work and stuff gets me to the situation where i'm able to produce edm once or twice a week. And while finishing a track you've been sitting on for past 3 months or more i've noticed that brakes from it helps more than endless looping of a track you are all ready bored by.
Take a break a day or two, and your song will sound fresh again, (smoking a joint also adds some fresh mint flavor )
speaking of a break it doesn't mean you shouldn't think about your tune. it is quite interesting to think about things need to be done on a tune you havent heard for a while - sometimes you get completely new ideas, sometimes you get back to the track and see that all of them is crap and these parts of the track were good after all - both outcomes are equally kool
while composing fxing and putting a track together try to jam with your controller as much as possible and have fun!
BooM
best wishes and good luck
shameless PS: i hope to finish a track tonight - final touches in progress
edit on a "never start a new proect" rule - its cool because it keeps you concentrated on the current rack, but i won't imply it when you are all ready distracted by new mood or musical ideas - write em down as soon as possible.
on the other hand learn to leave projects that "have no future" at the corner off your HHD not to distract you, but leave yourself a possibility to come back and review them In A Society That Has Abolished All Adventure The Only Adventure That Remains Is To Abolish Society
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