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DROR1980
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Posted : May 21, 2012 23:24:04
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this is my main problam: i can't finish any tracks i get board and i just start a new track every time...
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Suloo
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Posted : May 21, 2012 23:39
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Dont overuse the space bar..get most stuff possible sorted without listening too much, or just repeat the single part..
start different tracks and come back later..thats my way..
but i know what you mean..remember a track is never finished 
but if you got a pice you would be satisfied with it does exactly that to you everytime you play it..it satisfies you, so don`t give up! -------......-------...-..-..-..-.-.-.-.- |
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Ampersand
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Posted : May 22, 2012 00:11
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I know the feeling all too well. Sometimes I just need a break from a tune and I work on something else and come back to it. Sometimes they pour right out all at once and sometimes they never get finished. I think over listening to loops definitely contributes but I have trouble with that because sometimes I like to sit with a loop for while to see where it needs to go but it's easy to go past that point and into the point where you are creatively stifled because it's cemented as is into your brain or something. I think it's a natural part of the artistic process though, it's not only in music so you're not alone! |
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Xsze
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Posted : May 22, 2012 00:13
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Try to make most of the track right away, than just arrange it roughly, give it a brake and than start to make it big time 
If you can make the whole track in your head, nothing stops you to do that in DAW,if you have no clue, you are screwed
Start the project making the lead riff and than just introduce everything to that last element.
Look at that like a motif.
Make parts of the track and than just try to glue them together somehow, or just play with keyboard and come up with endless ideas choose one and for the rest of the day just do the whole thing, next day just polish and listen everything, do details and brakes.
I always write ideas and when I wake up always listen to them with fresh ears, if it's good in the morning, it's good, or just listen it for weeks every time in the morning, always fresher
I get bored when I'm so attached to some track, then give it a rest and find out i was deaf, that's why I give idea a break or come up with whole thing in my head before I make my life a misery
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Dreaddean
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Posted : May 22, 2012 01:10
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Hi mate, you're definitely not alone in this, even the best artists got this problem. These are some techniques that help me a lot when stuck or just simply to have a better workflow;
-Think of your tracks as a concept first and write down ideas(when traveling in the bus, underground, etc...).
-Try to make a mental picture of how you want your track to sound, before sitting down in front of the computer.
-Write down a basic/schematic arrangement, with markers before starting your track, so you can work linear instead of just getting a 16th bar loop playing for hours.
-Don't go too geek tweaking knobs when composing, get the musical part down quickly while you're still inspired.
-Have breaks so you don't over listen your track too much, go for a walk, make yourself a spliff/tea/coffee...
-Listen some music to get some inspiration.
-Don't be too critic with your work, you'll be improving slowly, it's a long process.
I cannot think of more for now, just take it easy and enjoy your music!!
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/dreaddean-patterns
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Ricciardo
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Posted : May 22, 2012 01:27
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i build sounds before mix them...
i create all sort of elements to place on a track
such as ambient drones, ritmic sequences, leads, keys, pads, drums, percussive sounds... transition fx, impacts, one shots etc etc, i do all this, and then when i fell i have content enough to mix them...
i mix it one time... then another... till i find the perfect mix...
in order to make them fit properly on the mix, i test every single element looping with each other, all the elements have to sound good togheter... and then i just can mix them the way i want... they not only will fit well in terms of mixing.. but also musicaly, because i allways use scale and build solid midi arrangements
if you make a track just in linear form, its a matter of lucky , the way i do... its a matter of planing, i plan music, i do the sounds, i inspire in other sounds and build elements and in the end i build the final mix, but everything is planed |
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Padmapani
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Posted : May 22, 2012 05:17
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i test every single element looping with each other, all the elements have to sound good togheter...
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isn't your mix pretty empty when you can have your elements all playing at the same time, or am i misunderstanding? i always have quite a lot of elements that take up the same frequency range, but i solve that problem by not having them play at the same time. i also have melodies that don't fit together, but one will over the course of the track logically lead to the other. sometimes i'll even switch my scale in the middle of the track... |
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Grevinsky
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Posted : May 22, 2012 12:01
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I guess everyone have different techniques for this.
For me i cannot pause a track, better to do it from beginning to the end in perhaps a week or two.
80% of the projects im lazy with, coming back to and working a little on i never finish with.
I feel its alot easier to work on the project when you still have the vision and your original thought of it(ofcourse it developes during the song), many times when i wait too long i completely forget what im suppose to do with the track, what direction i should take it and lead it.
I set up one rule for my self, and its been helping me to be a lot more productive and being able to finish many more tracks in shorter time.
The rule is. I cannot start a new track before i finish one.
That really works for me.
Its never going to be easier to finish something, so just start with it. Personally i dont think its good idea to see tracks as never finished. You can polish and polish but the only thing you do is change the original feeling of it until you have a compeletely different track(thats whats happends to me atleast). Better to put those new ideas and things into a new track.
Its a skill it self to finish tracks, and you get better on it by doing it, so learn to put a end to a track and say: this is finished.
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Gelius
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Posted : May 22, 2012 13:10
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Hi mate!!
It used to happen to me when I didn't get good sound enough. Without a good baseline, my tracks where dirty, "empty" and with no punch at all.... Then, I was not motivated nor inspired to finish any track. But with time and patience I got good sound, and now it is totally different. My motivation and inspiration have grown, I can let my brain think about the structure, evolution of the track, the harmonic part, the sound effects and the ambience. A good base, as everything in life, is a very important thing!!!
If it is not your case, maybe the tips and advices our mates have given you can be usefull. And also listening to more and more psy-artists and paying attention to the different parts of the track (structure, evolution, melodies, ambience, the different sounds used, FX, and so on). I think that a good way to learn, next to making your own tracks, is listening to other artists. You can get very inspired that way! (which is not the same as copying!!)
Hope to be helpful!! Maybe if we could listen something yours, we could give you better advices!!
Keep on trancing,
BooooomM!!! |
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Xsze
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Posted : May 22, 2012 13:30
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On 2012-05-22 12:01, Grevinsky wrote:
The rule is. I cannot start a new track before i finish one.
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+1
and I switch off internet connection from working computer so that anything can't distract me. |
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Ricciardo
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Posted : May 22, 2012 15:01
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On 2012-05-22 01:27, Ricciardo wrote:
i test every single element looping with each other, all the elements have to sound good togheter...
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isn't your mix pretty empty when you can have your elements all playing at the same time, or am i misunderstanding? i always have quite a lot of elements that take up the same frequency range, but i solve that problem by not having them play at the same time. i also have melodies that don't fit together, but one will over the course of the track logically lead to the other. sometimes i'll even switch my scale in the middle of the track...
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no quite contrary, my mixes are not empty, but each element have his own place in spectrum, otherwise some sounds would be nulling each other,
about melodies, if you compose a song properly they will allways sound good, if its properly fit into scale and in melody pattern logic, it doesnt matter where you place it, it will never sound bad...
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LunaLure
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Posted : May 22, 2012 15:06
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e-scape
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Posted : May 22, 2012 17:24
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But you have to! One of the most important things in production is finishing tracks not only for the obvious reason but because it's the only way to learn and to go forward.One of the first things I learned when I started producing is: Finish your tracks no matter what! You will understand why,just do it
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Padmapani
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Posted : May 22, 2012 18:27
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On 2012-05-22 15:01, Ricciardo wrote:
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On 2012-05-22 05:17, Padmapani wrote:
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On 2012-05-22 01:27, Ricciardo wrote:
i test every single element looping with each other, all the elements have to sound good togheter...
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isn't your mix pretty empty when you can have your elements all playing at the same time, or am i misunderstanding? i always have quite a lot of elements that take up the same frequency range, but i solve that problem by not having them play at the same time. i also have melodies that don't fit together, but one will over the course of the track logically lead to the other. sometimes i'll even switch my scale in the middle of the track...
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no quite contrary, my mixes are not empty, but each element have his own place in spectrum, otherwise some sounds would be nulling each other,
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of course, if they play at the same time. but you don't have ALL the elements playing at the same for your whole track. otherwise there would be hardly any progression. so you have only some of your instruments playing for the majority of the track and "holes" where the other instruments will later play. but i guess it depends on the music. for the more minimalistic stuff it sure works fine, but if you want to constantly blast your listener with melodic crazyness (think filteria, artifact303, dimension 5, pleiadians, artha, ..) i guess that's not really an option....
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if i start a new track before i finish an old one, the old one never gets finished. even if i come back later to finish it, it will never really be good and consistent.
so, if you have an idea for a new track, save it for later and continue working on your current track. don't worry if you think your track won't be as good as the next one, you'll learn about structure, flow and the like with every track you finish, and no matter what you do, your next one will always be better  . just do it! |
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soospicey
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Posted : May 22, 2012 19:12
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On 2012-05-22 13:30, Xsze wrote:
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On 2012-05-22 12:01, Grevinsky wrote:
The rule is. I cannot start a new track before i finish one.
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+1
and I switch off internet connection from working computer so that anything can't distract me.
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agreed. never really like having more than one project going at a time.
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