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Can Anyone explain how to use M/S decoders properly?
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 15:59
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just have a synth or sample on channel, then route to 2 aux sends, turn to prefader MODE turn main synth,sample volume channel down. where u have enabled prefader go to routing mode And flick one Hard L (Mid) One Hard R (Side)
Now the Stereo Control Iz yours
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gutter
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 16:11
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record three mono tracks or dublicate two tracks from one and you can do what the MS unbelievable technique does lol without plugins, encoding- decoding and such m2c
be creative 
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 16:30
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On 2009-06-03 23:53, Ascension wrote:
Great thread.
Can anyone list some negative aspects of M/S encoding (when to not use it, what when using it can foul up your sound, etc...)?
Thanks!
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The is no right and wrong Just common sense and princable.. Like D said always use an Anlizer, i use the Rogernicols Imager because u can see the amounts of both MID and Side. HERES SCREENSHOT of what i do
http://rapidshare.com/files/240733018/Basic_MS_setup.bmp.html
Basicly u have control of the amount of how much mono or stereo u want in or out which is gunna effect the Stereo Image nicely. From here we can Fuck things up and make stuff out of this world. u could chain about 10 of these up just keep an eye on the imager.
Im started experiments on the bassline with this way. with control of the mono freqencies i iant ever got to worry about how much delay or spread i use on the Side channel because they are split.. Elyvant Widerboy is Fucking Great on bass and kick if u have Control of All mono Freqencies.. This is the Point of why i like to use M/S for control of Mono wilst fucking with Stereo
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 16:32
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On 2009-06-04 16:11, gutter wrote:
record three mono tracks or dublicate two tracks from one and you can do what the MS unbelievable technique does lol without plugins, encoding- decoding and such m2c
be creative
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u forgot to mention about reversing the phase of one of them.. its just nice gutter having more control over your sounds this is all mate. what ever works innit... i think youre missing the point to it Gutter.
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 17:45
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 17:50
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it means that you have the choice of Either Eqing the mono Freqencies out leaving the stereo Freqs untouched... i use Brainbox Digital for M/S Eqing like Colin said handy for eqing the Mids out of the Mid Leaving room For another Mono lead which will widen the sound Dramaticly. Get me? probly loads loads more u can do like compinsating for level drops which colin explained on the panning certain Freqs thread. ive just learn this shit to accension im just sharin what i know so far , Peeps like Gutter are testing my patients.
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 17:59
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On 2009-06-04 17:45, Ascension wrote:
I noticed yesterday that there's a M/S option (along with Stereo and L/R) on Ableton EQ 8. Can anyone shed some light on that (if it's useful and how).
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i spose what u could if it wuz bassline is do as an experiment is eq the MID out 0-250hz say, and put a completely new bass in there whilst keeping the orignal bass what u had the Stereo Freqs on the Side channel. bl bla bla yeh?
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D-Alien
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 18:07
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M/S is very simple technique especially with nowadays tools. it is Common Sense, but yes, ignorance is the biggest enemy of human, cuz it stops his evolution...
Me too... I needed some days of extensive reading and googling to understand what this MS is, also I've spent experimenting hours to see which tools fits best to my needs. and I've tried to apply MS and all DAWs I know to work with. Cubase,. Logic, Live and I found that in Live its the easiest, but nevermind. what important is that MS improves dramatically the stereo image maintaining its mono parts in the center, stable as a rock!
I have messed up a lot now with the bass too, and I found that with Wider-Boy it gives me better results than with Voxengo StereoTouch. Although With Voxengo is better for leads. Widerboy is very subtle and delicate and quite harmonic and also it has its crossover directly there, to keep the low freqs till 400hx intact in their mono. of course this is before the MS matrix. I,ve tried also with MDA-Stereo and it gives also amazing results but it is more for hardcore, heavy crunchy basslines.
so there are no rules, there are just methods, principles, tools and logic (common sense) and with this 4 elements we can experiment until we get this wiiide (yet not antiphaze) warm, harmonic sound of every element in our tracks. using MS puts Everything in its place, and if used correctly, it glues all elements in an amazing way. it transforms your track full of sound collages into a amazing Sonic World! and things in the World are "glued" together so that they can Co-exist happily and harmonically.
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D-Alien
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 18:29
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On 2009-06-04 16:11, gutter wrote:
record three mono tracks or dublicate two tracks from one and you can do what the MS unbelievable technique does lol without plugins, encoding- decoding and such m2c
be creative
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lol this is your Simple technique mate? ahahahahaha
lol
anyway. bx digital will do ALL of this Unnecessary labor just in ONE plugin..
who is more simple now?
imagine I want to apply MS to my hats, pecussions, leads, backgrounds etc, but with diferent setting for every channel? using your "simple" prehistoric technique mate will triplicate all of my tracks than? 3 tracks for hats?!?!, 3 tracks for snares with warm reverb?!?!?! etc LOL i will end up with 4000 channels and a total chaos in my DAW....
you re funny mate. keep giving me smiles here ehehehehehehehe
 
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 18:43
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Gutter mate that iz what happens when u try and piss all over my thread When missing major Pointers
like i said either except or u dont, but there lots of people with The Vision and drive to require every hidden, unkown question/Technique until asked, to help myself and others to get there saving alot of ass ache. of corse there are many ways.. But this is one way ..
defo D this is MA point.. Stability. Through this i have learn that Mono is a vitil part to The wide Spread Image of a sound.
Like you said the Major cool this working in the way is that Mono compatibilty is always there.
HUGE STEREO BASS Still has its mono centre
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 18:46
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 18:49
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 21:36
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 04:14
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gutter
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Posted : Jun 5, 2009 10:14
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On 2009-06-04 18:29, D-Alien wrote:
imagine I want to apply MS to my hats, pecussions, leads, backgrounds etc, but with diferent setting for every channel?
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good luck
finally what people were missing so long for a great production was the MS technique.
i call that plugin enthusiasm disease
and its pointless
MS is for mastering not for mixing |
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