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can a software studio stand up to commercial productions ?
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yumade40
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 14:24
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They buy mercedes because is much faster ,safe , better acceleration, more reliable and generally with better performance.....
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 15:25
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i don't own any hardware and use a lot of soft synths ... many times i wanted to have one because my pc's processor is often not powerful enough to play some parts of my tracks live ...
and for that the knobs twisting are a real advantage too (try to rise the filter cutoff and lower the amp decay at the same time with your mouse ) ...
all in all, i can do without hardware, and if i ever buy some, i don't think it would be for the sound quality (absynth and z3ta are all i need for that) ...
peace ...
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 15:52
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orange,
"todays va's are small computers in a synth box they have os and dsp's. "
actually, i think that almost every synth that came after the DX7 was a software synth., there are some exceptions but 95% of all synths from the 80's to the 90's were digital.,
it realy doesnt matter if your pc is calculating the sound or a separate box with a computer build in is doing it.,.,
what realy IS a difference is that most big synth companies dont make their software to run on a pc.,
there are a few reasons for that.,
one reason is that big synth companies have factories to build hardware.,. so they will make mostly hardware synths., they cannot send 80% of their staff home.,
another thing is that they are very experienced and have a lot of technologies.,
if they released that as software it could be ripped off very easily..,
so they stick to the old format.,, build a box and run a synth on it.,
i think that if you have enough money you could run ANY digital synth on your pc witout a problem.,
i mean, it's not a technical problem.,, it's a market problem.,
so, fundamentaly, there is no difference between a synth running on your pc and a synth running on a dedicated box.,
what you DO get with separate boxes is that every box has its own A-D convertor.
this can be a good or a bad thing.
anyway.,
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Kaz
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 16:35
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If hardware was really no better than software, people wouldn't buy any hardware. Hardware gets good results, both in analog and other technologies, because a load of people worked on making those things kick ass. I'm not even going to get to the advantages of analog gear (which exist) - even a good digital compressor (or basically any other effect) will usually just sound plainly better than it's software counterparts.
But, in the grand scheme of things, people have made proffesional music using much less than a computer and have still done some pretty nifty things, so I guess with computers it should be even easier.
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other_reality
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 17:30
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Well, as I can see there are so many different opinions out there..! OK, I know that modern software is really really powerful and quality sounding, but as yumade says, why do people still buy hardware synths ? How about the Roland's (JP 8080 i.e) and how about the Nord's ? The set of good ears, the sense of mixing and the knowledge of the various filters and effects, as well as their mechanism, as commented before, well, personally I think it should be taken for granded when fiddling with music production, esp. when dealing with trance or other contemporary electronic music. Trance is a genre where its artists are mostly sound engineers as well. As a sound engineer myself, and with some tracks on my back, I can recognize the power of software, but I can recognise the purity and clarity of hardware as well. It could also be a matter of AD/DA converters, and maybe the sound cards, apart from the top notch, can't really compete the classic manufacturers such as Roland or Clavia for that matter...
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 19:14
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I see that this Software VS Hardware discussion will not get over so soon...
What really convinced me finally on the matter is the Astral Projection show that was broadcasted on Israeli 24th TV channel. The guys were given 9 hours to create a track with a famous Israeli female singer by the name of Zehava Ben. I have this imprinted image in my head of the AP studio packed with all sorts of vintage, modular and the newest Synths and Samplers. All the gear is turned on to show the cameraman what great Studio those guys have. But...
The whole tune (as they themself told on the show) was written on Cubase SX with Absynth, Battery and some native Cubase VST synths and effects. The only true analog equipment that was used in the tune was Neumann Condenser Mic (wich costs as much as a good PC) and a good Mic Pre-Amp. All the rest was Digital.
And guess what, the final product sounded as fat as you can expect from AP. Just to remind you that untill the last years they were using a lot of Roland's Classic gear such as Tb303, TR909, SH101 and JP8000. You may say a lot of harsh words regarding Astral's latest output, but their sound is as good as ever and even getting better.
So, you see, if ppl like Liam Howlet (Prodigy), Ben Watkins, Astral Projection and a lot of another big names rely so much on Software than perhaps, the difference is really at people's minds.
Just use what you have and try to bring the best out of it.
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 19:37
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Pavel have something in his words , so let's leave this useless subject because we don't know shit about all of it ! |
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 19:38
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On 2004-08-08 14:24, yumade40 wrote:
They buy mercedes because is much faster ,safe , better acceleration, more reliable and generally with better performance.....
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Do you read auto magazines ????
Honda and Toyota won the worldwide competition in all you list here .
I think driver do not need more than 130kph speed coz mostly is useless so think about what you say .
Buy plane it has more speed , but each part of Mercedes cost more , more fuel .....
We not racers , we drivers , think of it |
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orange
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 20:52
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oooo!!! one last thing...
once i made a sweep in pro 53 in a friends studio he also had an andromeda.
another friend came along later he is an professional sound engineer he has a recording studio and he has made a lot of tracks (relesead)
the sweep was so fat you can not imagine we told him just to see that i made it on the andromeda and he told 'you see thats the reason that hardware is better then software because its soooo faaat'when i told him that i made it on the pro 53 he just didnt want to believe me and i think he still doesnt do..
i can sey that me sometimes still dont believe it that it sounded so fat and i use alot of hardware...
the only thing i want to sey is imagine the future when computers will rule the world of music even on the equipement like 'eventide & avalon' that cost a fortune they will move in to computers eventualy.
untill then we can sey anithing we like...
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 22:01
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Orange, no need to imagine.
They already rule the world
Didn't you see the Matrix Trilogy?
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 22:12
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Man i know that Hardware mostly sounds different than Software but it doesn't mean you can't make music . That the point .
In my mind analogue hardware sound warm , digital hardware sound metalic and some software can do the same thing if you tweak them enough .
Don't get into hardware "wanna buy" shit , just create music with what you have and can have .
I made same thing with couple of sequencers , by some reason ppl underesteemate FL , Project 5 and Orion near Logic and Cubase (Reason i not threat as fully seaquencer because it limited by non VSTi support which is it's advantage and disadvantage in the same time ) tha's why it out of check .
Most of ppl say woooo Cubase sound great , all other shit
I made exacly the same part with same instruments , effects and mastering tools , 16bars part and checked on some forum and at some so called "sound know-mans" and what ? the Fruity came first , then Orion , then Cubase and in the end was Project 5 .
The point is that i never had Orion or Project 5 installed and made only two Cubase same files and two FL same files and they sound different on their "monitors" same story about our argue present .
It only shows how stupid we are .
buttom line make music and not learn essays
Sound fat ????? okay it is but do you know what does it means FAT ? you can't see it's fat ass to decide it is fat ? by ear not always working as "lame ass checkups shows" , not only me done this but couple of my friends did the same on different forums .
We checked as well 'If ppl can read the difference between wave and mp3 (some do say that wave sound much better ) they should check not always mathematics is recognized by an ear' .
Same as digital analogue issue .......................
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 23:25
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Absynth better that all hardware synths together ?? looool
Have you guys ever touched an Ensoniq Fizmo ???
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yumade40
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Posted : Aug 9, 2004 00:14
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come on guys there is no question about it....as orange said its so much fatter.....i really believe that people thats say soft is the same as hard havent ever played with a hardware synth (or a good hardware synth if you prefer)....of course you can make music with software only and amazing music as well ....what we are talking hear is sound quality.....how easy you reach it....and ability to produce and tweak sound.....
as roland says "DONT JUST MAKE MUSIC....GENETICALLY REENGINEER IT......" |
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 9, 2004 00:30
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Fizmo sucks for the money it costs.
Before i would buy a fizmo i would buy a second pc and some software.
@yumade40 sound quality depends not on hardware or software it depends on your skill of tweaking it to the quality.
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 9, 2004 01:49
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Yeah use also MacDonalds logo , Healthy FOOD and eat it .........and you will become a fat guy , very fat guy with fat fat fat sound ............
And i have used many hardware synths around 10 different brands and colors .
from Alesis to Waldorf .
you remind me kid , more tell you not to do more you do different way , so Okay Hardware da BEst , get Neve Compressors , Yamaha Console and Couple of Moogs and be a new Kraftwerk . |
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