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can a software studio stand up to commercial productions ?
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other_reality
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 17:47
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I bet that most of the low budget producers out there rely on software for the most if not the entire of their productions. My question to the pro's out there is : Can a modern PC based on a good soundcard,-P4 with an RME Hammerfall-, loaded with Cubase,Reason Vsti's and VST effects, quality midi controllers and audio mastering software, stand up to commercial standards ? I've heard lots of hardware synths, and lots of software, as well as effects. I think that it is more of a hands-on control issue, rather than sound quality nowadays. Am I right, or am I plainly deceived ? Hehe, don't get me wrong, I love hardware but, It is really expensive, pretty much more than software. With 1000 euros, u can get a Powercore loaded with Virus plus the effects, when the actual Virus costs more than that. So how about it ? Is it worth to build a software only studio, or it will just keep you behind ?
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 19:39
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why do you think that commercial productions are not done on software studio's?.,
a LOT of modern music is made mostly on computers .,
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 23:25
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Sure,
If you have a good sound card, acoustic room and a quality studio monitors and the corresponding knowledge you can get to a top level producing with software only,
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yumade40
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 23:31
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Yes most of todays music is done with software but DEFINETELY NOT only with software....i used to make music many years with the best soft synths-romplayers everything, tryied everything to get those crystal clear sounds but i couldnt.....when i bought my first hardware synth i understood why my tracks didnt sound like the commercial ones.......
you need at least one hardware synth.....peace |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 15:46
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sorry yumade40, but i don´t think that the crystal clear sound can be done with hardware synths only. i believe that it is all a matter of eq íng.
of course there are analog synths that sound much crisper than rom players or other synthesis methods, but this can be done on a hard- or on a softwarebasis.
check out reaktor, or the free version reactor sessions, or the arturia moog modular V, or the vanguard etc. these can easily compete with the hardware pendants. it´s all a matter of sound design and sound engineering. especially for our very synthetic music. |
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other_reality
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 16:54
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deejayridoo, -nice nick btw-, you've got a point there, but I guess that if one MUST eq his synth to get it crystal clear, as yumade says, I bet that something is lost in the way. To be more specific about my initial question, productions such as the ones from Freq, Cosmic tone, Son kite... I am trying hard to make such sounds with software and I am not totally satisfied. Do you think they rely on software ? Maybe they do, and I cannot understand which softsynths they use (if any)... As you can understand, I am not talking about bassdrums or even basslines. These, sure you can handle it well with a bit of experimentation and the proper tools. Not even pads...they can easily come out of a good twist from reaktor, reason, vaz and the likes. I am specifically talking about those ultra-fine sweeps, these crunchy sawtooth wooshes (!) and the short crystal analog bleeps and blops. As well as these progressive-like chords, that sound too heavy to be software. I maybe need more practice on my softsynths, and even more practice on eq'ing and mixing, but still, I am not sure if you can get these sounds with software. And if you can...someone tell me which are the proper tools or i'll start saving for that nord !
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 17:21
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Why do you so sure that Son Kite can't produce same as you call "Crystal Clear" sound on software only ?
You just don't know to make sound design and these are not tools that decrease your sound . |
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 20:25
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Of course you can do all that with software only.
Did you ever used Absynth or z3ta?
Absynth is absolutly better than all other hardware synth together.
There is no hardware synth with this ability of envelopes like the Absynth. Sound is perfect too.
Nowadays there is no reason to buy hardware only for good sound, maybe coz you like to have hardware, but not for sound quality.
And i am sure most hardware sounds get eqed, coz mostly you haven't the spectrum, the sound you need directly from synth.
Eqing is for the only way to get the 'crystal clear' sound, with hardware and software.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 21:13
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can a software studio stand up to commercial productions ? -- my answer -- YES
u name anybody , astrix , cosmic tone , xerox , illumination , bizzare contact .... i know all of them
and all use cubase n softsynths n plugins ....
dont be in tht misunderstanding tht only hardware can help me ....
no mate ...
all u need to get a top notch mix down , which even amazes the mastering engg. is :-
1. studio monitors
2. strong pc .
3. all necessary plugins and fx and software
4. powerful computer , professional soundcard
5. experience n proper knowledge
6. experience ears .. tht come with time ....
when u have all this .... i bet ull b kicking some ass !
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 21:20
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Ok let's get the things explained easily.
If you compare old analog only synths and modulars than perhaps there is a resemblance to software sound. The sound "Might" sound fatter. The fatness of the old analog synths is caused by instability of it's oscillators due to age and other reasons.
Now when you come to compare Virtual Analog synths (Virus, Nord Lead, Q and anything from their family) you really talk about the SAME structures as you get in your Software. Sounds weird? Let me explain.
VA synths usually main processors (just like your Pentium, Athlon or G4/5). They usually have Random Access Memory (Just like in your PC's and Macs). And they also have Audio and MIDI interfaces of various qualities. Just like your Audio/MIDI interfaces in your PC's or Macs.
And the most important part is that they BOTH have software that runs the business. So whether it's burnt in your Synths EPROM or in your HD it doesn't matter. What matter is the quality of your final product or even more, the sum of them.
The only pros that todays VA synths offer are: Maximum stabilty, Hands on Approach and offcourse, i must admit, they look GOOD.
So i hope that i cleared this one.
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 21:21
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And offcourse, Talent.
You gotta have the Talent.
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orange
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 23:00
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totaly agreed with pavel!!!
todays va's are small computers in a synth box they have os and dsp's.
in old analogs there is no option to update the os because there isn't any.they are based on cirquiciti and the sound is fatter cos of the unstability causing heat to the electronics of it.this is the reason todays synth's has options like 'vco drift' to emulate just that so software is something like va's in a pc or mac
everything lies on production skills and ears you can make crystal clear sound on soft to and dont forget that old analog need eq to you dont just put a sound and just because its analog its perfect you steel need to eq'ed it to sit in the mix but most of as dont know it cos we never used one
train your ears and crystal clear sound will come analog or va or soft
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br0d
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 08:42
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Software crushes hardware into a fine dust. |
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yumade40
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 14:11
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"Absynth is better than all other hardware syths together"....you really must be joking EYB.......sure absynth is one of the best sounding soft synths but your comment is absolutely wrong.......The same for you brod.......in that case everybody should use software which cost 10 times less.......why do you think there are people that spend 3000 euros on a synth......i doubt they do it just becasue they have the knobs and sliders in fromf of their face......the sounds i get by pressing one note on my roland v-synth will never come from soft-synth even if you change all paremeters,compress,eq,or whatever......my tracks now sound professional with very little work done on them.......stop wondering why your tracks dont sound like they should and save to buy a hardware synth....
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 8, 2004 14:20
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He meant that abillities of Absynths are much more various than all hardware together , but at sounding it like cheap Yamaha .
Yumade why some ppl buy Mercedes and not Honda while Honda is much more useful , cheap in use/cost and easier to handle car ?
Because ppl are stereotyping everything/everyone in the life and commercials do their business as well .
Some buy cheap , some expenssive but all drive in the end and do it well . |
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