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MadScientist
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Posted : Nov 7, 2008 22:09
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On 2008-11-06 13:33, Upavas wrote:
third it is not about the money, it is about giving and receiving in balance.
And that includes money. Unless the label is big enough so I can do live gigs after some releases with them.
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this is the whole point, not making money. 
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Gonna try a chillout track see if it makes it |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 9, 2008 03:41
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what the hell is up with this thread lots of nasty exchangements of words here  and insults.
i personally agree with Upavas, it got to have a balance, ur pathetic in my opinion if you bought equipment and dont plan to make some money in return if your a serious artist if its a hobby its another story, i myself made INVESTMENTS people...
and i wanna make money off those investments, i make money off my music and theres some other music i make for the love for no money but for the most part for the money, i didnt spend time and nights stayin up to give my work for free, hell if it's like that give me a fukn free house give me a fuckn free ferrari, heck give me free prostitutes 
all work deserves money or a favor in return theres politics involve if ur bitchin and talkin about i dont wanna money either u already got a great paying job or ur livin with mom n dad....
I love money dam right, when u take a girl out u need money for dinner for gas etc... money unfortuanely makes the world go round its sad but true.
i like making money off music cus i love music aint that what life is about find something u love to make a decent living,
MODERATORS LOCK THIS DAM THREAD ALREADY...
THIS THREAD IS SPLITTING UP THE POSITIVE VIBE IN HERE!!! dammit
maybe those who dont care got their stuff stolen or cracked, but for those who haved worked hard for thier stuff it hurts to not see money coming back to the pot, now imagine urself livin by yaself and being a single parent taken care of ya child, fuk dat give me money or ima go robbin nigguhs
i gotta eat the kid needs to eat have u ever had ur kid tellin you daddy im hungry so u give him food and you went the day without eating but u know its ya respondsability to feed that kid b4 you
i think not man i made a huge effort and investment so dat i can feed myself and put a roof above my family's head, where im from is hustle, hustle or its ya ass on the streets we all come from different roads some of us have been lucky but some of have comed from the streets without a single dollar to our name, i come from the shithole and i have done it all to stay alive don;t insult and mock or play around with folks in here we got fealings man and we got hopes and dreams, some of us can't wait all day for the big break so we make money off this and that... i work doing graphic design at day to later come home and keep working in music to survice gettin perhaps 5-6 hrs of sleep. My investments haved help me stay alive and they have payed themselves quite ok
so for u too say music is not an investment is tottally bullshit it is and im livin proof of it any one got something to say PM me Peace |
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technomedics
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Posted : Nov 9, 2008 11:23
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unfortunately, like it or not, the only person swearing and creating a negative vibe in here is you mr psyaudiodynamics.
This thread should not be locked.
People should be allowed to voice their opinions. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. Please go and spend your time in a more positive way
If you don't agree with it, you can always start your own label to release your music and run it however you like.
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galactic monkey
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Posted : Nov 9, 2008 11:57
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guns dont kill people rappers do ...woop woop its the sound of da police!!!
psyaudionamics go make rap again thats where the money is G
ha ha!!!
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 9, 2008 12:09
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On 2008-11-09 03:41, psyaudionamics wrote:
what the hell is up with this thread lots of nasty exchangements of words here and insults.
i personally agree with Upavas, it got to have a balance, ur pathetic in my opinion if you bought equipment and dont plan to make some money in return if your a serious artist if its a hobby its another story, i myself made INVESTMENTS people...
and i wanna make money off those investments, i make money off my music and theres some other music i make for the love for no money but for the most part for the money, i didnt spend time and nights stayin up to give my work for free, hell if it's like that give me a fukn free house give me a fuckn free ferrari, heck give me free prostitutes
all work deserves money or a favor in return theres politics involve if ur bitchin and talkin about i dont wanna money either u already got a great paying job or ur livin with mom n dad....
I love money dam right, when u take a girl out u need money for dinner for gas etc... money unfortuanely makes the world go round its sad but true.
i like making money off music cus i love music aint that what life is about find something u love to make a decent living,
MODERATORS LOCK THIS DAM THREAD ALREADY...
THIS THREAD IS SPLITTING UP THE POSITIVE VIBE IN HERE!!! dammit
maybe those who dont care got their stuff stolen or cracked, but for those who haved worked hard for thier stuff it hurts to not see money coming back to the pot, now imagine urself livin by yaself and being a single parent taken care of ya child, fuk dat give me money or ima go robbin nigguhs
i gotta eat the kid needs to eat have u ever had ur kid tellin you daddy im hungry so u give him food and you went the day without eating but u know its ya respondsability to feed that kid b4 you
i think not man i made a huge effort and investment so dat i can feed myself and put a roof above my family's head, where im from is hustle, hustle or its ya ass on the streets we all come from different roads some of us have been lucky but some of have comed from the streets without a single dollar to our name, i come from the shithole and i have done it all to stay alive don;t insult and mock or play around with folks in here we got fealings man and we got hopes and dreams, some of us can't wait all day for the big break so we make money off this and that... i work doing graphic design at day to later come home and keep working in music to survice gettin perhaps 5-6 hrs of sleep. My investments haved help me stay alive and they have payed themselves quite ok
so for u too say music is not an investment is tottally bullshit it is and im livin proof of it any one got something to say PM me Peace
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thats so true,
the sad part is that most of the time promoters under-pay, the amount of effort i put into it all, way outways the amount of money i get payed, but if u start looking at your music as work, it will just get tedious..
just think of it as a hobby that happens to bring in money, because at first it takes a while to get recognized.. and at least for my first 10 or so gigs, promoters take ufor a ride......
they dont care how many mouths u need to feed..
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 9, 2008 12:48
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psyaudionamics, how can you seriously make that argument?
I agree 100% that artists deserve SOMETHING in return for their work. It's basic reciprocity, and that's what makes the world go round. The part that I don't understand is the whole "I made an investment" bit. Anyone with half a brain knows better than to go out and spend thousands of dollars on gear without the experience to use it, and if you have that experience, you're probably making money from your music. Everyone works their way up in any hobby or career, and gear is earned in the process (both physically and through experience). I don't want to hear your sad stories of "the streets". If your kid is starving, why the fuck are you worried about buying a new synth? And if that isn't a personal experience, then how is it at all relevant? Don't lock the thread, and you're the only one messing up the "vibe" here.
Sorry if this offends you, I just don't see the logic in any of it.
My view on this topic is simple: If this label isn't willing to pay me for my work, then they need to promote me in return instead, and they can't do that at this point. If this does end up being a successful project, they won't receive any serious recognition until they have at least 5 releases, provided that they keep the compilations/albums high quality. Since this isn't possible, I (and by the looks of it, many others) would be happy with something like $50 USD, 100% upfront and the satisfaction of helping a new label with a great concept get started. I don't think that's at all too much to ask.
The only way I would give away a free track with nothing in return is if ALL of the profit made from the release would be donated to a legitimate cause that all artists involved agreed to support.
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Catawampus Records
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Posted : Nov 9, 2008 13:52
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Thank you everyone for your interesting comments.
We have received some awesome tracks and we will be contacting everyone shortly. Please keep the tracks coming... We really do apprieciate the support
We agree 100% that the artists deserve something in return for their work. At the moment, this can't be money up front and we don't want to promise something that we may not be able to deliver on as we feel this would be unfair and we do not want to mislead anybody. We basically want to cover our costs, once this is done, there may well be money to distribute to artists but we can't assume this with certainty now. If it really does just come down to money for you, then please look elsewhere as we don't want to disappoint you.
To recap on the deal.
Catawampus is the vehicle label for likeminded producers creating boundary expanding psy beats. Its aim to help artists get their music heard on a larger stage. If selected, their track will become part of a high quality physical cd that will be distributed worldwide by arabesque. The artist will receive 10 copies of the cd (or what the label would recieve if these 10 copies were sold). Catawampus will promote our compilations and artists and each artist will have profiles on our website. Catawampus events are in the pipeline and our artists and contributors will be given opportunities to participate.
We in no way wish to undervalue the time, effort, blood, sweat and tears that goes into making music and feel that it is better that we run things this way rather than not doing it at all. We are getting off our arses and trying to get the music that we love get heard. We welcome people to join us on our path - get your music off your hard drive and into the world. If this deal is not for you, we wish you all success.
Best wishes and deepest respect
Catawampus
ps if people have any gripes with what we are trying to do, we respectfully ask you to pm us directly. Many thanks C |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 10, 2008 07:52
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On 2008-11-09 11:23, technomedics wrote:
unfortunately, like it or not, the only person swearing and creating a negative vibe in here is you mr psyaudiodynamics.
This thread should not be locked.
People should be allowed to voice their opinions. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. Please go and spend your time in a more positive way
If you don't agree with it, you can always start your own label to release your music and run it however you like.
Frankly - i think you are rude and ridiculous
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Your entitled to your opinion mate,and i can respect that haha, if i swear and get mad ass hell is because Im speakin off my heart... thats what i feal and i could care less that u think im ridicalous, i bank 100 dollars of a 30 min track, and haved sold a single beat for 1,000 tops till this day, have you accomplish that? have you had tracks featurin big time artists? I have...
Brisco from Poe Boy Ent. Hell, i've even helped upcoming artist which i believe in with free tracks. And no im not creatin a negative vibe chek all my post and for the most part im always trying to help out here aside from the perv jokes i make but now while i was coming up I was used and played with will catawus records do the same who knows, i got a PM from them and i can say from the email received they seem honest and sincere but only time will tell, i do wish em the best though. What really ticked me off was my past experience and the fact I had no one tell me to watch out, I was simply helping others not to be naive and fall into the same situation that i had, when i was gettin started, so call me ridicolous and negative if u wish I dont see you mate, Im puttin my side of the story and a big possibility which can happen, and aside from happening to me i got close friends who have been fucked in deals... ur obviously not in the music business from what i see, get in the biz and you'll see.
Im no superstar producer, and i didnt go to a school for music production all i learned was hands on, and on my own. but from what i can tell you i've made money off it enuff to feed myself and my kid which unfortunately
doesn't have a mom, due to birth complications if u must know (KANE).. YES MY GIRL DIED DURING GIVIN BIRTH... sO FUK OFF BITCH!
don't get me started man I can buy new gear now days cus i got the cash flow to do so... but u dam sure back in the days i wasnt spending money on new equipment don't speak unless u got the facts down and if not ur jumpin to conclusions.
You simply don't know me and don't wanna get to know me, but if ur ever in town and wanna pay a visit holla at cha boy... I'll be glad to show my world. I got a top notch studio which people like to record in not only because of the highend stuff but because of the vibe, thats why i spend the cash, the more tools in the studio the more i can charge if folks wanna rent time... In the begining after my girl passed away i had it real ruff, I needed to make money so i would go days without much to eat and the lil that i had was for my kid, i even had to pawn shit, and going thrue those hard times i did watever to make money and lots of peeps screwed me over so now you know why I felt the way i felt man, stop for a minute and put yourself in my shoes, i dont wanna make u feel pity for me cus im sure u dont give a rats ass but for once in your life put yourself in my shoes, tell me you wouldn't be mad at the world, tell me you wouoldnt be mad at those labels that promised me so much and in returned just used me and ripped me off, for you it might me a hobby but for me my studio is what changed and straighten my life and my kid's future... Music took me from an small ass efficiency to a nice home with a backyard for my kid to play in... man i stated dont go hurtin peoples feelings nor insulting cus you dont know what the person
has gone thrue... and thats what ya did you insulted me Kane & Technomedics...
ur gonna insult me for what cus of my money spent in equipment and cus i wouldnt want someone to go thrue what i went thure? , hell no Im sure theres folks in here who
got repondsabilities and are in need of money, If i expressed myself in a negative way I apolize like i've stated above but its was all out of good faith, it was a lesson learned when i was gettin started and Im willin to share with this community since I love this forum this is like my second home,
Plenty awesome folks which i can say have taught me a thing or two about production and im greatly and eternally thanked for
them, so I spoke for those who havent had any experience in the business side, my behavior might be unacceptable and again I apolize but if you was my friend and someone came to hurt you! you damm sure I'd have your back and not run away like some punk...
Death before dishonor its what its called.
Yeh im a bit ghetto, but dat dont mean im a bad person, I dont go around hurting folks, nor stealin no matter how hard life gets.
Galactik monkey - I still do make rap tracks its great money and a quick buck aswell, Psytrance dont pay my bills but man do i love it... and like someone stated if the cd sales where gonna go for charity then hell yeh you can have my track, im a positive soul but with a sick twist for bullshit, Im sorry if I've insulted anyone except those who deserve it ya already know who, dont come judgin me only god can judge me
God forbid you two ever go thru the pain i've gone thru i really do, I'll be prayin tonite for ya guys so u dont ever gotta go thrue what i went thrue... think before you speak and judge me, cus i never haved till this day directly insulted anyone in this forum if anything i've showed extreme respect but don't ya ever disrespect me as a person or judge me without knowin a single thing about me, only reason ur gettin away with it is cus u feel real big and tuff behind that computer 
Catawas label - respect, i received ur email and i respect your idea, i wish you guys much luck sorry if i indirectly shoved negative energy, i just didnt like the deal
and was entitled to my opinion, overall from ur email u sent me i get the impression that you guys are not bad folks I'd like to apolize in my part if I prejudged and sent the wrong signals on your efforts. it is only fair and the right thing to do, I know i was a bit harsh with you guys hope no fealings were hurt if so I publicly here ask the you accept my apoligies, Best regards
in all ur future plans and your journey...
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 10, 2008 08:13
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ps. kane how can i not be offended when ur mentioning my kid man, and sayin who cares
thats not too humane from u, seems like u aint got a heart, its my story, my struggle, and my victory to have come up the way i have, and im sure my story can influence people that music can be a investment and way to suceed if u work at it long and hard enuff if anythin my story is positive and very inspiraing for anyone whos workin hard towards there dreams and life... for those who made something out of nothing
so if ur an understanding person and can now see the picture as a whole then we are cool.
this is my last post in this thread anything else on from here could be discussed thru PM.
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 10, 2008 10:32
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On 2008-11-09 11:57, galactic monkey wrote:
guns dont kill people rappers do ...woop woop its the sound of da police!!!
psyaudionamics go make rap again thats where the money is G
ha ha!!!
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for the money dam sure ima keep maken rap n hiphop but for the love of music ima stick to psytrance, not sure how ur directing that comment whether its sarcasm in text or ur being serious, if its out of sarcasm -
i do any type of music which suits me, and I shall remain in this forum, encase ur trying to tell me to leave and make the "G" music and join some rap forum, which most likely sux balls compare to isratrance...
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 10, 2008 11:58
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Ok, this is getting seriously off topic, so after this I'm done with this thread.
psyaudionamics, I'm not going to argue over anything with you..it doesn't belong in this thread. What I said before was about how your comments related to this thread and the overall situation with artist payment in psytrance. All I was saying was that it's never a good idea to buy gear expecting the money to be paid back (especially if you're working with only trance). I didn't mean to (and didn't) judge you or your situation specifically...I don't know the details, and I'll never completely understand what you've gone through from your perspective. On the other hand, don't judge me and assume that I don't know what it's like to go through some hard times, or that I haven't ever been ripped off working with labels.
I've said what I had to say about the label, and although I disagree, good luck to Catawampus, and I hope it works out.
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splinter
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If the scene is dying it is because of the fact that anyone can download a sequencer and plugins and start making a quick ''cheap'' version of psytrance,and then again,anyone can create a record label,and release crap tracks on it,and fill our scene with these ''begginer psytrance'' tracks,wich makes me hate most compilations out there.
Theyre are great artists out there,just most compilations don't have them.
someone who would give up there track for free to a label they never heard of,only one reason,you're track is not good enough for release,you're not suppose to be out there yet,but you found a way to cheat,and now theyll be a compilation with a bunch of mediocre tracks on it.
if you spent enough time on your track,and enough years doing psytrance you will not want to give your track for free with all the work you did,if your track is good,send it to a real label,see what they say.if they don't take it,then you keep making tracks,until they take em.
alot of compilations out now are full of artists in training i find.
in hip hop scene,in rock n roll scene,etc...people don't make labels all the time and ask people for free tracks,it;s all professional,why can't we be like this?
in 10-15 years?think theyll be any good psy artists anymore if it keeps up like this?
hopefully if some people with money are out there,they will use there money for psytrance.
It wasn't about money at the start,when i started making psy it was cuz i loved making it,i wanted to share it with the world,but after a while,you start to realise psytrance is really expensive to deal with.
my partner would book a bunch of artists every year for his party's and while they were in town,get great advice from them,wich helped extremely alot.
buy expensive computer(you aint making a full track without atleast 2gb ram 2.0 ghz computers.
equipment obviously..
launch your live set at your own party a bunch of times.
it's all money money.
the people actually keeping this scene alive are paying alot of money
we should be thanking them.
help the artists help you.
p.s does anyone realise that if money wasn't an issue in psytrance,we'd have so many more god damn beautiful killer tracks.
i can't imagine how many artists in the past/future have/will quit cuz of the money/time issue.
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splinter
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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 20:57
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If you don't agree with it, you can always start your own label to release your music and run it however you like.
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see!
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Upavas
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On 2008-11-12 20:52, splinter wrote:
If the scene is dying it is because of the fact that anyone can download a sequencer and plugins and start making a quick ''cheap'' version of psytrance,and then again,anyone can create a record label,and release crap tracks on it,and fill our scene with these ''begginer psytrance'' tracks,wich makes me hate most compilations out there.
Theyre are great artists out there,just most compilations don't have them.
someone who would give up there track for free to a label they never heard of,only one reason,you're track is not good enough for release,you're not suppose to be out there yet,but you found a way to cheat,and now theyll be a compilation with a bunch of mediocre tracks on it.
if you spent enough time on your track,and enough years doing psytrance you will not want to give your track for free with all the work you did,if your track is good,send it to a real label,see what they say.if they don't take it,then you keep making tracks,until they take em.
alot of compilations out now are full of artists in training i find.
in hip hop scene,in rock n roll scene,etc...people don't make labels all the time and ask people for free tracks,it;s all professional,why can't we be like this?
in 10-15 years?think theyll be any good psy artists anymore if it keeps up like this?
hopefully if some people with money are out there,they will use there money for psytrance.
It wasn't about money at the start,when i started making psy it was cuz i loved making it,i wanted to share it with the world,but after a while,you start to realise psytrance is really expensive to deal with.
my partner would book a bunch of artists every year for his party's and while they were in town,get great advice from them,wich helped extremely alot.
buy expensive computer(you aint making a full track without atleast 2gb ram 2.0 ghz computers.
equipment obviously..
launch your live set at your own party a bunch of times.
it's all money money.
the people actually keeping this scene alive are paying alot of money
we should be thanking them.
help the artists help you.
p.s does anyone realise that if money wasn't an issue in psytrance,we'd have so many more god damn beautiful killer tracks.
i can't imagine how many artists in the past/future have/will quit cuz of the money/time issue.
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Really well said Splinter. Having put on many events for several years I couldn't agree more. And I always made sure people do get something for their art. It is simply part of the deal. And it feels so good!
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