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Calling for tracks for upcoming compilation(s)
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 2, 2008 01:47
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On 2008-11-01 18:57, Zoopy wrote:
you are giving the label a bad image and a bad name and they haven't even done anything.
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The only possible way that could be true is if the points are valid.
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So they can't afford to pay their artists yet? They seem pretty upfront and honest about it..
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I remember when Nano Records started out. Ans was giving out CDs to anyone that did anything in the scene. Party organisers, DJs, magazines... you name it. He could do that because he knew they were starting a quality label with quality artists making quality music. They knew that things would take off and be successful.
This label? With this kind of approach? I sincerely doubt it.
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again.. if you can't handle that then don't bother with them and let people who are excited about an opportunity be excited about it.
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So that the exited young artists can wait in hope that they will get some recognition? That won't happen if the CD is a complete flop.
Instead they should either send their music to respectable labels that can actually get their name out there (and maybe get a bit of money back for their efforts).
If these artists don't get picked-up by other labels, they might have to spend a bit longer in the studio before they are up to release level.
It is best to know where you stand from the start than to get all exited about a pipe dream and then wake up to the cold stark reality of the "music business" in 2008. They will just get disillusioned.
UnderTow
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Nov 2, 2008 07:57
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..as mentioned above,
i'm certainly not excited with this 'donate tracks' idea
..as mentioned above,
i don't disagree with those who are excited, good or bad artists, if they want to, it's all up to them and nothing more.
..as mentioned above,
without the proper promotion, this try will totally fail.
..as mentioned above,
even a tiniest amount of money would be a nice move from this new label.
..as mentioned above,
they sure are upfront and sincere, and not trying to shit anyone.
..but as abused above,
with all the respect i have to most users in this forum (and i really do), this investment thing really makes me sick. whether you believe it or not (and i don't give a shit if someone doesn't) there has not been a second in my life that i have thought making money from my music. (and that's a big con for me when it comes to talk prices)
making money from music is something that will or will NOT come on its own.
this whole "I've spent soooo much money on equipment, and THAT'S WHY i worth/want/demand being paid for my music" sounds fart. if u wanna INVEST money, better study economics/business first to choose where to invest.. i think you'll have a much much better payback this way.
no wonder there are this two types of artists in our scene
a) oh lord, in BLABLA fest i got to play in front of 1000ppl !
b) fuck YES!, in BLABLA fest i got paid 2000eu !!!
anyway, good luck to Catawampus Records with everything.
plus, good luck to musicians and good luck to investors.
ps. no need to expand the '..as mentioned above' answers in moooore words.. he who's clever will understand 3 more sentences that are meant or said above.
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 2, 2008 08:28
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Piko, there is a third type, the one who says I got to play in front of 2000 people, then got paid AND everybody there had fun!!!
And that's the one I belong to.
You are right, it is not about investment, anyone investing into gear to make money from Psy is simply retarded, it is however about equilibrium, you give something and get something in return.
But investing into psytrance, who would do that to make money? The ones I know that did it are almost all out of money or their labels are bankrupt, and that includes even distributors such as Cosmophilia...
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 2, 2008 09:25
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yes i can agree... that psytrance doesnt pay the big bucks as other genres but its more than nice to get pay something but 50-100 dollars is not up to par...
I myself haved made that on a single simple ass hip hop track that only took me 30 minutes max to make, now how the hell do u expect me to be happy with that amount when i make a psytrance track that took obviously more than that 30 min hip hop track?
I make psytrance cus i love it man, and i come from Homestead Florida where psytrance is unheard of, and rap music rules... so obviously there u can see that i make psytrance for the love but if ima send my track for a compilation u dam sure im gonna want more for my efforts, NO LIES most of the money i haved made off my INVESTMENTS have not been psytrance but rap tracks... and with less time involved as i mentioned above. You might say
dude stop bitchin and keep the maken rap tracks but
for those who have been in the rap scene will tell u theres plenty of evil muthfuckas and with it comes lots of negative influences remeber this rap muisc is from the streets so ur obviously working with some criminal minded people, and thats why i tend to not fuck with that genre i can't afford to have some goons come and break in my crib to steal my shit, so its a no brainer either u make money and risk gettin robbed, shot or stabbed or forget the cash and make music for more peaceful peoples and not make as much money... i choose that... but still id like to make a bit more. maybe RNB would be a better scene for me atleast to make some money plus also meet some hot chicks  but it wouldnt be my favorite type of music to produce, tough line to walk make something u dont like and make booko bucks or make the music u really love and get payed peanuts,
tough call huh? peace peoples |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Nov 2, 2008 09:45
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piko, I never said I invested lots of money so I need to get it back
my point was more that we all invest lots of money in gear, and will probably never get even the half back (at least not from pstrance).
and then there is the label that wants your tracks for free, which is really poor if they dont get their money back even without paying the artists.
sure this is not the scene where the $ is, but it doesnt make it more fair.
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"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!" |
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Nov 2, 2008 10:33
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MadScientist wrote:
piko, I never said I invested lots of money so I need to get it back
my point was more that we all invest lots of money in gear, and will probably never get even the half back (at least not from pstrance).
and then there is the label that wants your tracks for free, which is really poor if they dont get their money back even without paying the artists.
sure this is not the scene where the $ is, but it doesnt make it more fair.
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Upavas wrote
Piko, there is a third type, the one who says I got to play in front of 2000 people, then got paid AND everybody there had fun!!!
And that's the one I belong to.
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of course there was no need for me to say/add the obvious to my post
and sure, i'm not either robin hood nor a musceteer. but as most of us around here i love what i do and i don't anxiously wait to gain money from it (that's all and that's what i pointed out  )
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gutter
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 15:02
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i want to play in BLABLA fest in front of 1001 people is my dream too mate
ONLY SMILES & A "THANK U" CAN PAY BACK MY EFFORTS
fuck the rest
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 20:32
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On 2008-11-03 15:02, gutter wrote:
i want to play in BLABLA fest in front of 1001 people is my dream too mate
ONLY SMILES & A "THANK U" CAN PAY BACK MY EFFORTS
fuck the rest
well i hope u can LIVE literally off smiles and thank you's if you can then u would be the first person i encounter who can live off smile's and thank you's... LOL cus i need money to pay bills and feed myself.
unless ur already rich or your parents are rich you could play for smiles and whatnot, i personaly don't have that leisure, if by the end of the month i ain't got money to pay my bills im kicked off to the streets equipment, bed, clothes and all, and without a roof theres no electricity which meens no music, haha don't take it the wrong way, man but your comment is senseless to me no insult intended to be quite honest. i respect your view but i find it absurd
and unrealistic, cheers and again my intention is not to insult your opinion just my own personal opinion which im entitled to.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 22:43
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psyaudionamics, you heard of that new killargh thing called sarcasm? 
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
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ohshit
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 22:45
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After 4 pages of lurking i am confused about the facts cause i don't see the problem.
IMHO
Do you want to send a track? send it!
Do you want part of the (eventual) incomes? send your track to another label!
There are a lot of labels (luckily) so the artist can choose the best for him.
BTW
I hope the best for this project: to grow up and share future profits!
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Vermeee
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Posted : Nov 4, 2008 03:48
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"i want to play in BLABLA fest in front of 1001 people is my dream too mate
ONLY SMILES & A "THANK U" CAN PAY BACK MY EFFORTS
fuck the rest "
same here..
its ridiculous there are people complainin about it...as OH SHIT said above send it if u want and if u dont want find another label.
when i try to get a "DESK JOB" but i dont like the way the job s done i ll look for another job not ask for the boss to change it, otherwise he s gonna laugh of my face.
maybe u guys are too spoiled, used to cry for the momy when things are not the way u guys want. kings of the hill ( psy ? )
my music s up there  if interested just lemme know .
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 4, 2008 05:55
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well its hard to tell sarcasm mate when ur reading text if i could hear it then it be a different story
LOL if its sarcasm then cool/funny but from what i read it seamed he was being serious and as i stated everyone is entitled to opinion hehhe, so I'll excuse myself since i didn't perceive the thin geneva font as
sarcasm hehe, man this thread is already ridicalous someone shut this thread down, it got us here quarrelin over opinions, I can see the 2 sides of the stories as there is always to sides to any story,
and as mature individual i can respect your decision whether you'd like to send ur track or not, in the end its your track and your entitled to do as you wish...
I don't think necessary the label is a rat indisquise
but me personally haved been screwed in the past so im willing to share my side of the story and comment that i don't like the deal, do what ever makes you happy i wish you all good luck if you decide to send your track with all sincerity... Im not some spoiled kid and to judge others in here as possibly being spoiled is jumpin to conclusion since im sure you dont personally know the people on here... where they come from and whatever struggle they been thrue, but some of us are just straight up,, i personally when i dont like something i say it im a blunt straight up type of guys im no hipocrite i tell it and call shots as i see em, whether someone likes it or not. i dont give a royal shit it is what is... hope no misunderstanding have been caused nor that i have disrespected anyone in here for there views again best regards and wishes everyone in here is entitled to their opinion and everyone here seem like good and cool as fuck people just to get that clear and out on the view, do whatever it takes to make it we all will do things different what matters is that we get there peace, love, unity, respect nuff said |
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gutter
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Posted : Nov 4, 2008 10:42
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im not offended by your words and respect them & anyway not at all that i have money running through my pockets and the job im working pays 650 and more than half of them go to sae studies and no personal life anymore for about a year now(i dont care how thats sounding) and whatever euro that can be saved go to equip or books etc. and its all about progressing my technical in mixing & production & since im far away from it, all i could wish for now is that blabla fest we where talking and yes at least for now i would not care about money, cause they make me more sad than happy most of the times and if , IF , i managed to get someday/somewhere that i live through music and not shitty jobs and be respected as a person and as an artist then i could speak about money ,, hope i made myself clear ,,, im no spoiled kid either and respect everyones opinions here ,, no offense at all ,, way out of topic btw ,, sorry
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LS.
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Posted : Nov 4, 2008 11:56
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Well there is an offer on the table. So either take it or dont take it.
I personally just don't like the "giving away full rights" bit and i wish the label well and the best of luck and also the artists and i personally feel the artists submitting work will be the ones who do submit work to more established labels but don't get any feedback or releases, It is very difficult at times and is a struggle and i know this as i am one of these people. Eager for someone to take my music but just not happening. So what do you do? keep at it, keep learning and keep progressing until that wonderful day comes. So for me the offer is not entirely all to bad and will more than likely submit something just to see whether it might be worthy of acceptance. The rights thing should be relooked at though and this will be my final point on whether i will submit or not.
my 2 cents
Peace
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Nov 4, 2008 14:49
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You either give your track or you don't. Simple. You guys need to stop grandfathering this thread.
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