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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 15:43
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i found in my hd some of my presets for cronox.
Check you inbox 
Well now about overlaping...
Bounce to audio a single note, freeze the midi channel (keep it backup dont delete it) trim the note to 1/16, do a tiny fade out and make your kbbb
works for me brilliant
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 16:27
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Yes, granted someone applies the right settings all the synthesizers that have been mentioned here can produce wonderful bass patches - in any given situation. I've used cronox 2 for very high bpm with no problems at all. So it's just a matter of carefully adjusting the parameters.
When sampling notes, even on very stable synthesizers, I think it's good to render down a few notes and pick those with the best transient. That's specially noticeable on the attack portion of the bass's note. It's important to get the settings right on the synthesizer first, though, so as not to be forced to rely on it's own envelope and filter, and filter modulation - which more often then not, are not as good (specially the filter); even though some people say kontakt delivers on both departments, but I really haven't took the time to dig through it yet, so can't really tell.
On such occasions, you'd be happy to use plain sawtooth (or mixed waves) with a square envelope, everything at 0, and full sustain. However, if you fancy the synthesizers you're using, it wouldn't make much sense to use other modules to shape the sound, unless you're using some special hardware synthesizers for that - in which case you'd have to find the best notes, even considering the phase of the wave, and that's a ton of work but offers great results.
I really think one can get away with the synthesizers - granted they recycle the wave correctly, like Massive or Cronox (or many others) - and some processing afterwards.
When using EQ on Bass, there are two things: one is to take away some nasty sounding frequencies. The other, which most people used to do when using Quadrafuzz, is to apply some volume shaping on some bands, like ultra deep sub, bass, low mid, mid... What you're doing then, is shape the relative volume of your sound, frequency wise - that's why it's much simpler to think of it with bands, and flexible bands is good - like those on quadrafuzz or any given multi-band compressor. 4 band EQ isn't special, but in this case you can adjust the bands if you wish to. And this broad strokes are sometimes more then enough. And when you think about boosting the frequencies, analogue modeling EQs offer greater results as it adds some character to the sound and sounds more musical imo.
Then you have to make kick and bass fit together without creating mud, of course. The usual tricks I believe you know already. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 17:13
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make a bassline with the processing chain ect tiil it sound good with kick... now replace just the synth out the bassline chain and you will hear than most synth sound good with minor adjustement.. at least decent synths..
these day i dont think softsynth used is what matter the most , i would say it s what matter the less with all the good one out there , they can be made to sound almost all the same with processing too..
but i can of chnanged my way of processing sicen some times , i had a few years period i was all about minor processing, less possible ect..now i eq again like a butcher.. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 18:04
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On 2013-03-13 13:51, Alien Bug wrote:
one thing: do you have overlaping notes after processing? (saturation, eq, etc...) because sometimes additional processing can add tail and then, no matter how long your notes are and how short release in adsr is. do you use s(m)exoscope to check it? it is very good
btw on sylenth it is very easy to make fantastic bassline without overlaping etc.
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yes! i find that i tweak both the synth and the processing as whole!as like u say itchanges so u have to constantly tweak to meet its need so to speak
dont get me wrong it doent just "stop there" the whole thing is being tweaked till its well balanced
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 18:18
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the thing it keep the sound natural (if the source is good) it mean when you bypass your processor the "tune" of the sound should not change ,it should not sound "processed ", that way when you bypass you just ear improvment and nothing that distract the ears, to me it s all related to eq and pitch / tonal balance to have a good natural sound . bad production often sound totally unatural but processed it can be one of the reason to me.
a good way when equing some sound like a bassline is to make a copy and loop it.. 1 bar dry , 1 bar you eq.. that way you ear very easy when the tune/harmonics relation is not right and adjust to keep the natural "pitch" when equing |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 18:36
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by processing i just mean simply cleaning up, or to give abit of character - nothing more nuthin less...i A/B all of the time - its amazing actually on how asleep your ears r until u A/B say sum nasty resonates in the bassline, makes me laugh how un noticed it actually was......and its only small surgical notches of say 280hz as an example...a/b it and im shocked that i allowed it be there unheard previously lol
u could say that about hipassing to much over 30hz it starts to alter the overall "tune and quality i find" so i stick at that and use a shelf if needed
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 18:45
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yeah but some tunes are full of these resonance, some of these as long as nothing point them to your ears it s not problematic. that why i rarely chase resonnance with 10 db boost.. i just cut what annoy me when listening the sound but what ever work.. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 18:51
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u notice it wen nuthings masking them especially on sum tracks wen they play alone paaa lazy lol 
well atmo im still training my ears to focus in and hear what should be there and what shouldnt b there - just saying the a/b check isa big suprise - im sure in time il kno where the bitches r without the sweeping bizznuess |
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Antbreath
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 18:53
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@ the OP
im no pro, but i used to have a big problem with writing bass lines in C too, you could try writing in F,G or E and see how that pans out, i found it made a big diff, havnt written anything in the key of C since
also lots of good tips in this thread, x2 on using a steady sampled bass note. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 18:54
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the room can totally mess with these stuff too..accentuate some harmonics / more than others ect.. tricky
when i use my monitor outside sound is way cleaner ,can be almost like hearing the monitor true sound for the first time..in a room what you ear is the sound of the room on your monitors.
my adam that i was finding sound sterile ,clean in my old room sound almost like hifi speaker outside..could blast volume and make music all day long on these outdoor like on a mini PA, no way inside |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 19:17
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why i check in headphones after just to be sure... its challenge with no monitors at mo a good one at that!! bien doin it long enuff to b logical about it tho..hmm yes id love a pair of adams 2000 g for the pair "have to evolve without at mo
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 23:26
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On 2013-03-13 15:43, Sunrise Travellers wrote:
i found in my hd some of my presets for cronox.
Check you inbox
Well now about overlaping...
Bounce to audio a single note, freeze the midi channel (keep it backup dont delete it) trim the note to 1/16, do a tiny fade out and make your kbbb
works for me brilliant
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lol it does but my god am i lazy hahaa , cor so much extra work lol
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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 23:35
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On 2013-03-13 23:26, Geom3 wrote:
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On 2013-03-13 15:43, Sunrise Travellers wrote:
i found in my hd some of my presets for cronox.
Check you inbox
Well now about overlaping...
Bounce to audio a single note, freeze the midi channel (keep it backup dont delete it) trim the note to 1/16, do a tiny fade out and make your kbbb
works for me brilliant
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lol it does but my god am i lazy hahaa , cor so much extra work lol
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hahaha well whatever works good for you mate.
personaly always bounce my basses to audio even that means extra work. i have more control of the sound you know...plus you can save some cpu especially if you use a heavy vst.
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 23:42
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i kno man it iz true wot u sayin...a good work flow to get in2
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pleiadian
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Posted : Mar 14, 2013 16:36
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My newest discovery about this issue is using a high self filter and tweaking the synth and kick in real time to get what i am looking for...
I am not a pro but i definitely works... takes lots of time to have a good result but i guess it is a matter of practice.
Also i have noticed that for the bassline to roll i need to make a eq notch on the kick so the bassline waveform seems aestheticaly coherent.. that means you got the where the kick hits -notch- kick tail blending with first bassline note followed by the other two notes.
The point for me is be able to reproduce the results from scratch when you create a new project. And it takes lots of practice.
One thing i haven't mastered yet is sampling the notes when i get them right. In such way i could create a sampler instrument and stick them in , tweak them slightly to give them a little bit of character.
Has anyone tried that or are you just bouncing the notes on the DAW and playing them straight?
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