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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 22:12
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wot does? ace or the example - as i would agree.. that son eq does a good job on the mid range,after surgical room rez notches
cheers agin 4the heads up on that eq pom
no pro but id say "adjusting evolving ears"
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 22:27
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the example not ace.
soneq me too i find it can work great as a second or first eq and for a bit of color. |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 22:33
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Its perfect  ,much better than u would spend hundreds on..(softubes,waves,t-racks)
there own unique take on an oldschool Eq, just love the way it handles it, nuthing brakes or disrupts,its as smooth as ice,yep after or b4, even bettter b4 a compressor , it gives a compressor something nice sounding to bitePunch into also if talkin bout kick but thats for a different thread, so do ma best to stay on topic
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andro.bot
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 22:36
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Hey bro... in my experience cronox2 retriggers perfectly. I can give you some hints based on your cronox screenshot:
- Don't use waveform symetry all the way to the left, sweet spot to my taste is around the middle.
- Lower your filter decay / sustain. Decay shouldn't be more than 100ms i usually like .8 for plucky basslines.
- Lower your amp release setting to almost zero (already stated)
- Rise the SPREAD knob just a bit (lower volume)
- Clear the modulation matrix
Also for moving basslines I preffer the 12db filter.
Alien, sylenth, cronox, albino, massive, etc... all have been used for pro psybasslines.
They all have different taste but the principle is the same.
I dare to say is your ears what needs training and practice so you know exactly what to do to your patch.
Avoid twaking your bassline alone for long periods of time as you will easily lose focus. Build a track and go back to the bassline, compare to pro tracks.
Try to work your basspatch with no EQ, no compression, no nothing... it should killer enough just a kick and a synth then you can start polishing but there is no magic process... its all about taste and good ear / monitoring.
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 22:43
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no need to see eq as an offensive weapon , wen u say do it without any , well its apart of the process, otherwise ul sound thin,weak and characterless
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 22:45
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soneq sometimes it work amazing ,i dont remember the chain i was using...i think it was esm soneq + chirugical clean eq and a other saturator...that what got me the closer to the bassline sound i was after, really thick low mids and creamy high mids,rounded transient but still punchy, analog full of vibe similar to some neve stuff..
i tested fro few minutes reelbus recently and got something creamy it s promising too.. but there is something that make it sound too much like a plugin to me,..it would need to be used with something else,maybe soneq or decapitator to give more depth ,or equing better... worht a try.
also used nick row tube amp in the past with good result, not sure if today it s still great.. he just made it for mac so i m gonna try it after years ..when it come out it was one and probably the best tube amp emu |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 22:52
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sounds good,yeh worth a try nuthen to loose always gain... nick row or crow ,guitar amps?
what i imagine sort of amp effect Krama used on sum basslines from the album terror Nova
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 23:06
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yeah nick crow sorry, not guitar amp, tubedriver, he made few plugins beta all sounding slighty different , final plugin was maybe not the best imo but was still good
here it is http://nickcrowlab.blogspot.fr/ but maybe it dont sound good compared to today stuff..dunno |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 23:11
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yeh that looks the part - on the same level i see where u got Decapitator from,they share the same DNA do u think,if so il replace it for soundtoys in terms of CPU ? im liking the look of the eq options already tho..nice PoM
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andro.bot
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 23:13
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EQ is good and most times necessary but the bass timbre comes from the synth itself and is what needs careful tweaking... EQ should enhance synth's sound, beef it a lil. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 23:21
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yeah i think it s easier to get the sound the closest out of the synth.. but lot of plugs kinda suck and may need high degree of reshaping to sound like we want it .
i dont find my futur Xs have great raw saw like some old mono.. but it still slay any plugin i have |
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 23:28
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sumtimes the sound out of the synth aint enuff tho,filters tweaked and velocities set or not,still lacks the character i want to giv it |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 00:22
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Another thing: turn the "track" knob all the way to the left. Unless you're working with a very broad scale, in which case you might want to add a little bit of filter tracking - but still not all the way up. You'd probably benefit from a little tiny bit of attack on the envelope as well. Sometimes you don't need the full sustain on the amp envelope as well, try to adjust the decay first, with a touch of release (like said, that's way to much).
And it is true that it's worth to try the symmetry of the wave - I usually find 70% sounds good on cronox - and some spread can make it a bit more in your face to.
I think you have way to much depth for the filter modulation. You're probably doing that because you like to feel the kind of resonance you get by doing that. But such a large sweep actually makes it harder for the low end to remain focused, and you can get that resonant sounding stuff with some saturation later on.
I think it is indeed important to use some eq. The low end should have more presence. Doesn't matter if your using EQ, or layers, or whatever. Some people use Quadrafuzz - the one that comes with cubase. And usually it sounds better with a slight attenuation of the mid zone, so as to bring focus. You can do it like that, multi-band compressors with 0 ratio on all bands, make for good selective band, 4 band (or more) EQs for such situations (and of course you can use them to compress as well, even though I think a normal duty compressor usually does the deal, and even those that introduce some character can be cool for bass, but everything goes...).
Lately I've been using Massive a lot to. Has many options and I feel it allows me to shape the thing like I want to. Plus the inner saturation stuff is very cool to - and I use it often.
But Cronox has a very distinctive timbre I think. And makes quite a match with the good old quadrafuzz and some eq. That's a good, tried and tested chain for bass success.
But it doesn't sound bad as it is. Keep going at it. Have fun! |
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Fungophago
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 00:58
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also think about the timing. in this example i'd put the notes a 64th or so closer to the kick. this makes a big diffrence as you go over 150 bpm. the bass sound itself is ok it just doesnt groove with the kick... |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 13:51
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